ArnoldArmChewer
Tour Winner
Ian
Who cares, we voted for brexit so feet and inches it is unless you want it in chains or fathoms :lol:
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Who cares, we voted for brexit so feet and inches it is unless you want it in chains or fathoms :lol:
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Now that's an idea....maybe 0.015151515 furlongs....😂
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
I was told once that the stimp reading isn't a good description of green speed (well it is and it isn't)
Obviously 9.5 doesn't match a measured swing distance as the grain, wind, slope, pin placement, grass type etc etc all change how much swing speed is needed to cover 9.5 meaning 9.5 on one course might appear as a slower/sedate speed to the player when compared to other courses with the same stimp reading
Obviously 9.5 doesn't match a measured swing distance as the grain, wind, slope, pin placement, grass type etc etc all change how much swing speed is needed to cover 9.5 meaning 9.5 on one course might appear as a slower/sedate speed to the player when compared to other courses with the same stimp reading
I remember turning up at The Grove and seeing a sign by the putting green saying today's speed was 13.1. Thought that had to be wrong as I'd never seen anything near that speed before. Put a ball down and promptly stuck a mid range flattish but off the green. Hardly confidence building for the round but I thought the greens on the course we're slower (or felt it) and I putted half decently, once I managed to finally get to the green
MashieNiblick
Tour Winner
As I understand it stimp readings should be taken on a flat part of the green and done in both directions (i.e. into and with grain) and final reading is an average. That should give a comparable reading regardless of the nature if the greens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlULpKsewnE
Ours were running at 11.5 earlier this year. Tricky to say the least!
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Agree with that but an average like that could throw your pace.
Say one way, the stump reads 8 but reads 12 the other...OK an extreme probably but an average of 10 doesn't help you from either direction...
Plus that would mess with the Aimpointers heads.....😀
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Yeah that's what I understood too, so that it gives a good average measure. But when discussing green speeds around the country and what people equate a 9.5 to in their minds its not comparable as a description of the required putt because of all the variable
One persons measured 10 is probably a 9 or 11 to someone else
Robobum
Money List Winner
No one thinks like that though do they?
Stand on the practice green and hit first putt and conclude that "jeez these are quick".....as it rolls past the hole, off the green and into the flower bed behind!!
Spear-Chucker
Tour Rookie
I like quick (9-11) but true and consistent wins the day. It's also very important the speed is all in context, i.e. flatter simple greens can take speed but tricky ones soon become tiresome when they're ironed to within an inch of their lives.
Ours are typically 8-9 with difficulty coming from some significant slopes and approach shots - they occasionally get to 10 and that's on the limit. It's not really fair on lots of the members to make them much faster and it sucks the enjoyment out of the round for them as they don't have the experience and skills to negotiate them.
Hunstanton at the weekend where they should be 10.5+ but that type of speed seems to work there and they are always true and eminently playable.
I've experienced 12+ in France on slopey greens and good shots were not rewarded (putted past one hole accidentally and watched the ball come back 5ft and drop in
); couldn't see the point of that at all.
Ours are typically 8-9 with difficulty coming from some significant slopes and approach shots - they occasionally get to 10 and that's on the limit. It's not really fair on lots of the members to make them much faster and it sucks the enjoyment out of the round for them as they don't have the experience and skills to negotiate them.
Hunstanton at the weekend where they should be 10.5+ but that type of speed seems to work there and they are always true and eminently playable.
I've experienced 12+ in France on slopey greens and good shots were not rewarded (putted past one hole accidentally and watched the ball come back 5ft and drop in
); couldn't see the point of that at all.Robobum
Money List Winner
I like quick (9-11) but true and consistent wins the day. It's also very important the speed is all in context, i.e. flatter simple greens can take speed but tricky ones soon become tiresome when they're ironed to within an inch of their lives.
Ours are typically 8-9 with difficulty coming from some significant slopes and approach shots - they occasionally get to 10 and that's on the limit. It's not really fair on lots of the members to make them much faster and it sucks the enjoyment out of the round for them as they don't have the experience and skills to negotiate them.
Hunstanton at the weekend where they should be 10.5+ but that type of speed seems to work there and they are always true and eminently playable.
I've experienced 12+ in France on slopey greens and good shots were not rewarded (putted past one hole accidentally and watched the ball come back 5ft and drop in
Good post.
Liphook were 13.5 for the Pearson trophy this year. Max handicap of 4. In the field, 30 golfers of 1 or better ......RO both rounds in idyllic, still, sunny conditions. Not fun
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This year our greens have been averaging around 9-10 for every day and medal play - for the big comps they have gone up to around 11
When they do quicken them up they put the flags in reasonable positions - we have small greens so when they slow them down they can put them into tricky places
For me it's all about a bit of common sense and thinking - I seem to putt better when the greens are quicker
As long as they are true and the same place then it's all about learning from the first couple of holes
When they do quicken them up they put the flags in reasonable positions - we have small greens so when they slow them down they can put them into tricky places
For me it's all about a bit of common sense and thinking - I seem to putt better when the greens are quicker
As long as they are true and the same place then it's all about learning from the first couple of holes
Spear-Chucker
Tour Rookie
That's such a shame - what a course! Defo think there's a macho or 'one-upmanship' element at some courses which detracts from the whole point, sadly...
Hosel Fade
Tour Rookie
Somewhere around 9 and true is perfect imo, over 11 is silly because then you need to have boring flat greens or pin positions and water them all the time to keep the grass alive.
Overall we shouldn't focus so much on green speed other than making sure they are consistent across the course, the focus should be on trueness and a desirable level of firmness
Overall we shouldn't focus so much on green speed other than making sure they are consistent across the course, the focus should be on trueness and a desirable level of firmness
It took me a few holes to adjust to the speed of their greens, but we still won the match!
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I don't mind playing on quick greens...as long as they are true.
When I was in Dubai in Feb, we played the Majlis course 2 days after the Dubai Desert Classic. The greens that day were running at around 11.7. We were at the club on the Monday to play the Faldo course, and the Majlis greens were running at around 14 according to their stats sheet. That would have been frightening.
It was nice to have a 10/15 ft putt and not have to hit it firm, just had to gently roll it and it went. Get on the wrong side of a slope though, and you were knackered.
Played Jumeirah Earth the following day, and the greens seemed quicker, but I think that was due to the extra slopes
When I was in Dubai in Feb, we played the Majlis course 2 days after the Dubai Desert Classic. The greens that day were running at around 11.7. We were at the club on the Monday to play the Faldo course, and the Majlis greens were running at around 14 according to their stats sheet. That would have been frightening.
It was nice to have a 10/15 ft putt and not have to hit it firm, just had to gently roll it and it went. Get on the wrong side of a slope though, and you were knackered.
Played Jumeirah Earth the following day, and the greens seemed quicker, but I think that was due to the extra slopes
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
For those reading the stimp wouldn't be 10, it would be closer to 8.5 or less.
This is the bit that people don't seem to get - we (as many) have a couple of greens that slope front to back, or back to front. At a true stimp of 8.5 the ball might run 7 up the hill and 35 down it.
This is the true challenge of fast greens; slight slopes create huge differences in how far the ball will roll for any given input (as well as the breaks etc etc). On slow greens you can get away with poor reads relating to uphill/downhill - on fast greens you can't.
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
Used to love fast greens as was brought up on them, last 6 years been at a course where they are slow to medium at best I guess so tends to take me a while to adjust when going to courses with much faster surfaces, that said would love to play regularly at somewhere where they run fast on a regular basis again. The big issue as many have said though is they need to be consistent, nothing worse than a course making their greens 2 or 3 ft faster for a big comp and just tricking everyone
I played Kingswood last week and they were ridiculously slow at around 8 on the stimp. Went back to my course the day after, running at about 9 and the difference was noticeable. I like a course where greens are a reasonable speed and don't make the members look silly but all I ask is that they run true and you can pick a spot and trust it
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
Not convinced the difference between 8 and 9 on the stimp are ridiculously slow to reasonable Homer
Actually felt more like a 6-7 but kept being told it was running at 8. Had to really hit them even from 6 feet.
