GP scores entered on courses not measured

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The club has issued a Handicap, so it is valid. It is on the system.
Unfortunately the club has not followed the rules and in due course, the handicap will be withdrawn or altered.
As far as the player and the system is concerned their handicap is valid until the club does something about it.
The player can’t adjust or withdraw their own handicap, only the club, county or EG can do this.
This is why the club need to sort this out ASAP.

Surely, it is not the club, it is the scores entered that has triggered the system to issue the handicap. You do not have to be a member of a golf club. If the player does not check that a course is qualifying, regardless whether switched off or not, it is their fault, so their handicap cannot be valid.

 

[wjemather]

Surely, it is not the club, it is the scores entered that has triggered the system to issue the handicap. You do not have to be a member of a golf club. If the player does not check that a course is qualifying, regardless whether switched off or not, it is their fault, so their handicap cannot be valid.

It is your club (committee) that is by far the most at fault here.
It is the club that has failed to disable tee sets that are not available for acceptable scores, and the club that has subsequently failed to ensure only acceptable scores have been submitted.
The club needs to remediate the situation asap but instead they are persisting in failing/abdicating their responsibilities.

 

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It is your club (committee) that is by far the most at fault here.
It is the club that has failed to disable tee sets that are not available for acceptable scores, and the club that has subsequently failed to ensure only acceptable scores have been submitted.
The club needs to remediate the situation asap but instead they are persisting in failing/abdicating their responsibilities.

Yes I understand and totally agree. But with my last comments I was hoping to see if the non valid initial handicap route would leave my club with no other option than to remediate.

 

[D-S]

Surely, it is not the club, it is the scores entered that has triggered the system to issue the handicap. You do not have to be a member of a golf club. If the player does not check that a course is qualifying, regardless whether switched off or not, it is their fault, so their handicap cannot be valid.

The club by having the tee sets switched on has indicated that the course is fit for qualifying golf to be played. The player by inputting a score onto a system that is saying that qualifying golf is allowed to be played has in effect done nothing wrong.
As above the club by allowing the tee sets to remain ‘open’ on the system has given the green light to the golfers. The club is at fault, they need to put it right and apologies to the players involved wouldn’t go amiss.

 

[wjemather]

Yes I understand and totally agree. But with my last comments I was hoping to see if the non valid initial handicap route would leave my club with no other option than to remediate.

The club has no option but to remediate anyway.

 

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The club by having the tee sets switched on has indicated that the course is fit for qualifying golf to be played. The player by inputting a score onto a system that is saying that qualifying golf is allowed to be played has in effect done nothing wrong.
As above the club by allowing the tee sets to remain ‘open’ on the system has given the green light to the golfers. The club is at fault, they need to put it right and apologies to the players involved wouldn’t go amiss.

The club had posted on our website only a short course (green) was WHS qualifying but scores were submitted on another (White). The pro shop would know, but most members do not go into the pro shop before playing.

 

[D-S]

The club had posted only a short course (green) was WHS qualifying but scores were submitted on another (White). The pro shop would know, but most members do not go into the pro shop before playing.

But surely you could not enter a score on the white course for handicap if it was switched off.
Or any card that ticked the white course would not be entered for handicapping.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

What happens if a player with such a handicap enters and wins a competition at another club? Should all members of this club who have submitted such 'invalid' scores not be advised to withdraw from any comps they have entered and not enter any further ones until the club has resolved the issue.

 

[D-S]

What happens if a player with such a handicap enters and wins a competition at another club? Should all members of this club who have submitted such 'invalid' scores not be advised to withdraw from any comps they have entered and not enter any further ones until the club has resolved the issue.

Basically yes, if the club is allowing in all reality ‘made up ‘ rounds for handicapping then they need to sort it asap.

 

[clubchamp98]

Clubs should not be getting basic things like this wrong after five years.

 

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We had similar with a local club last winter where scores had been submitted from wrong tee markers which had not been switched off. The club had to go through and correct them all.

Your club must do similarly and remediate all scores by deleting or marking them as match play (makes them ineligible for the HI calculation). Note: deleting doesn't prevent resubmission via MyEG.
If in doubt, the club should contact their county handicap advisor who will tell them the same!

FYI. County have got officially involved for support, are well aware of at least 30 ineligible scores played on non qualifying courses over a minimum two month period. Some have at least four, a new member played two for his Initial handicap index. And the Chair of Handicaps reprimanded on the day of play a member that played on an ineligible course. More ineligible scores were entered for days after this reprimand, even though I had brought the issue to attention long before. ALL SCORES REMAIN ON RELEVANT HANDICAP RECORDS. Less work for all possibly? No total loss of face possibly?

 

[rulie]

FYI. County have got officially involved for support, are well aware of at least 30 ineligible scores played on non qualifying courses over a minimum two month period. Some have at least four, a new member played two for his Initial handicap index. And the Chair of Handicaps reprimanded on the day of play a member that played on an ineligible course. More ineligible scores were entered for days after this reprimand, even though I had brought the issue to attention long before. ALL SCORES REMAIN ON RELEVANT HANDICAP RECORDS. Less work for all possibly? No total loss of face possibly?

What are your expectations? And who to act?

 

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What are your expectations? And who to act?

I expected exactly what wjemather has stated.

 

[rulie]

I expected exactly what wjemather has stated.

Then join the hdcp committee and get on with it.
The old expression, “if you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.”

 

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Then join the hdcp committee and get on with it.
The old expression, “if you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.”

Great advice, bit of a stupid expression though, when I have offered to join and would not be on here if my offer had been accepted.

 

[rulie]

Great advice, bit of a stupid expression though, when I have offered to join and would not be on here if my offer had been accepted.

“Stupid” is one of the words not permitted in our realm. “Shut up” is another.
Keep helping/supporting the Committee.

 

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“Stupid” is one of the words not permitted in our realm. “Shut up” is another.
Keep helping/supporting the Committee.

Thats two words