Good job I'm mild mannered.......

[Herbie]

Cant help feeling that HNJ is just being difficult about this and after an argument ??

I would say so to be honest, As HJS has already said, I think its reasonable and should be expected that a following group at least waits until the group in front have made their approach shots and well cleared before they attempt to tee off.

Teeing off while the group in front are still at their tee shots is bang out of order IMHO.

More assumptions there Keef, in the same way you accept the OPs assumptions of the incident

Thats just it though HNJ, they're not assumptions are they? If, as the OP states, he was still in range from the tee then the following group were bang out of order for teeing off regardless of any circumstances....there is no defense to that!

But he made ref to being obscured slightly and that leaves a posiibility that those on the tee made assumptions or judgements that may have been wrong? You dont know that, neither does OP.

Nor do you know if they all decided to club down and play up to save time but unfortunately one of the group creamed one longer than expected? You dont know and neither does the OP because he didnt find out.

I am not condoning what they did but there are often reasons for all mishaps on golf courses where all thats needed is an apology, Im more concerned with the seeming over reaction to such things which leads to aggressive reaction or actions.

I have actually seen a bloke punch someone for a similar incident, only in his over reactive excitement he punched a chap who never hit the ball in the first place. Assumptions!

 

[Deleted member 1147]

The issue is not about a ball from another hole.

I hit a ball in the back wind 365 yds so I would now have to wait till most par 4s are clear greens before teeing off just in case I do it again in a back wind

200 yds is the MAX dist most golfers will hit, do you know how many club members break 200 to 220 driving? Maybe you just mean the 4 ball you play with Oh and the OP backs this up when he says most at the club hit their drives there

I agree, the issue isn't a ball from another hole - if it were, we'd all agree that as long as a shout of fore had been made it's perfectly normal & no fuss would have been made.

Instead a ball from the same hole had been hit within the normal driving range of most players, including old folks, without a shout.

That is dangerous & unacceptable

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Obscured slightly but not totally hidden. Why would you all club down in a team event on the last hole to try and save time. That theory just doesn't hold water. Even if that was the case it is still poor manners to hit up in the vicinity of the guy. I would be pretty hacked off if it happened to me and would probably have played my second once the green had cleared and sought some sort of clarification.

At the end of the day in MY opinion the 4 ball made a mistake either in judgement for teeing off initially or in distance estimation or club selection. Either way to me they were in the wrong.

 

[Herbie]

Your 'assumption' that 'most' golfers hit 200yds max is laughable, that is the reason for the inane laugh!

How many people on the other thread said they hit the ball between 180-200yds max? How many said between 200-220yds? You see where I am going here...

And dont tar all old people with the same brush, I used to play regularly with a 60yo who could and did nail his driver about 220yds on a very very regular basis.

If you're going to pull me & HJS up on assumptions then please dont make your own up as you go along.

Its not an assumption at all, its based on observation and experience and has little to do with claims on this site.Observation and experience over 30 yrs tells me that most golfers will not hit more than 200 yds off the tee 220 if you want to split hairs about it.
When I make a claim of this type its never an assumption.

 

[KeefG]

Hang fire....just back up a sec, you expect me to believe then that most golfers only hit 200yds MAX off the tee because you say so?

It is your own assumption that MOST golfers hit this distance, that is unless you can furnish me with some hard evidence to back up your claim?

I'm not being picky here HNJ, really i'm not, but what you claim isnt as assumption, is clearly an assumption

You are assuming that, due to the golfers that you have seen, all the rest are of the same standard. Yet i'll be more than staggered if you have played golf with more than 1% of the UK's golfers!!!

 

[Herbie]

Obscured slightly but not totally hidden. Why would you all club down in a team event on the last hole to try and save time. That theory just doesn't hold water. Even if that was the case it is still poor manners to hit up in the vicinity of the guy. I would be pretty hacked off if it happened to me and would probably have played my second once the green had cleared and sought some sort of clarification.

At the end of the day in MY opinion the 4 ball made a mistake either in judgement for teeing off initially or in distance estimation or club selection. Either way to me they were in the wrong.

You could be right on the last part, but that has little to do with 'what would you have done' and thats the bit I am trying to establish reasoning and sense to those who want to chuck someones ball away or spank it back at them or other aggresssive reactions.

No one has a thought for someones eyesight here?
Ive played with guys who need help to watch their ball when it gets beyond 20yds ahead, they are not going to be able to judge someone slightly obscured from view 220 yds away?
You may think that a feeble excuse but nevertheless a possibility. Also OP never saw the ball hit so does he really know it didnt come from another fairway?

You should never react without all the facts!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

HNJ

Taken from your post on the high handicappers post



[/QUOTE]

I dont know why people havent seen many high h/c players spank the ball miles from time to time as often as I have.

Most high h/cappers have the equipment and swing, it just needs to come togeather now and then with timing and strike.
I tend to believe someone first because like today when I hit a few over 300 and one 365 because of the wind as well as a great strikes, gaining 50 to 90 yds on my regular drives purely because of the wind and posting it relating to Tigers 225 yd 7 iron thread as examples of wind effect.
Yet still the disbelievers are out there.

For as many people who get their distances a little wrong or exaggerate their distances there will be an equal number who wont have it simply because they cant do it themselves.

[/QUOTE]

So you can't then say most people only hit the ball 220 yards when your view is clearly that everyone has the capability of hitting it longer. Therefore surely common sense dictates that waiting for someone to get out of the way especially in these litigious times.

You clearly don't see or wish to accept the poor manners demonstrated by this tee shot. That's fine and I suggest we leave it there

 

[Herbie]

Hang fire....just back up a sec, you expect me to believe then that most golfers only hit 200yds MAX off the tee because you say so?

It is your own assumption that MOST golfers hit this distance, that is unless you can furnish me with some hard evidence to back up your claim?

I'm not being picky here HNJ, really i'm not, but what you claim isnt as assumption, is clearly an assumption

You are assuming that, due to the golfers that you have seen, all the rest are of the same standard. Yet i'll be more than staggered if you have played golf with more than 1% of the UK's golfers!!!

Its no better or worse than any statistic, only its over 30 yrs and is a factual observation on my part and I think I have seen more than enough to justify that claim.How many new golfers do you know hit a ball 200 or more? My claim is justified from numerous angles.

I also think you are the argumentative one on this one, splitting hairs, making rash responses of ridicule without foundation or evidence followed by a purile comment at the bottom.
OK clever boy show me your evidence, facts and data that makes your opinion valid and not just childish naa naa naa na naaa from the playground.

C'mon Im waiting................ (for the next kiddie response)

 

[KeefG]

Its no better or worse than any statistic, only its over 30 yrs and is a factual observation on my part and I think I have seen more than enough to justify that claim.How many new golfers do you know hit a ball 200 or more? My claim is justified from numerous angles.

I also think you are the argumentative one on this one, splitting hairs, making rash responses of ridicule without foundation or evidence followed by a purile comment at the bottom.
OK clever boy show me your evidence, facts and data that makes your opinion valid and not just childish naa naa naa na naaa from the playground.

C'mon Im waiting................ (for the next kiddie response)

And in one post we have gone from having an adult-like debate to making it personal. What is the point?

HNJ - I agree with everything you've said, I am wrong on all counts and you have my unreserved apology

 

[Herbie]

HNJ

Taken from your post on the high handicappers post

I dont know why people havent seen many high h/c players spank the ball miles from time to time as often as I have.

Most high h/cappers have the equipment and swing, it just needs to come togeather now and then with timing and strike.
I tend to believe someone first because like today when I hit a few over 300 and one 365 because of the wind as well as a great strikes, gaining 50 to 90 yds on my regular drives purely because of the wind and posting it relating to Tigers 225 yd 7 iron thread as examples of wind effect.
Yet still the disbelievers are out there.

For as many people who get their distances a little wrong or exaggerate their distances there will be an equal number who wont have it simply because they cant do it themselves.

[/QUOTE]

So you can't then say most people only hit the ball 220 yards when your view is clearly that everyone has the capability of hitting it longer. Therefore surely common sense dictates that waiting for someone to get out of the way especially in these litigious times.

You clearly don't see or wish to accept the poor manners demonstrated by this tee shot. That's fine and I suggest we leave it there

[/QUOTE]

What the hell has the fact that I have seen high h/c players spank the ball miles got to do with this thread.

Homer you are being an idiot! absolute !

Almost everyone does have the capability, that doesnt mean they will or do!

Christ I have to get outa here, it really is like talking to blocks of wood sometimes.

'Common sense' Homer???? I think you need some.

 

[Herbie]

Its no better or worse than any statistic, only its over 30 yrs and is a factual observation on my part and I think I have seen more than enough to justify that claim.How many new golfers do you know hit a ball 200 or more? My claim is justified from numerous angles.

I also think you are the argumentative one on this one, splitting hairs, making rash responses of ridicule without foundation or evidence followed by a purile comment at the bottom.
OK clever boy show me your evidence, facts and data that makes your opinion valid and not just childish naa naa naa na naaa from the playground.

C'mon Im waiting................ (for the next kiddie response)

And in one post we have gone from having an adult-like debate to making it personal. What is the point?

HNJ - I agree with everything you've said, I am wrong on all counts and you have my unreserved apology

And your posts have been very adult so I conceed that I have been unwittingly childish by comparity

 

[Herbie]

Are you still keeping the PMs up

 

[Herbie]

This thread should have been called...


'Are Golfers Paranoid about other Golfers actions'?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

A little spiky there HNJ

My point you missed amongst all your other rubbish was you say everyone has the potential to hit it miles and yet earlier in this thread say most people can only hit it 220 max. A slight difference and strange when you say you have seen lots of high handicappers acheive more than 220-230. A contradiction per chance.

What I'm trying to get across is that if someone has the capability of hitting further, even if they club down, they have the capability of hitting further than normal which would have taken them into the vicinity of the OP. Why would you want to do that on your last hole when a few extra minutes wouldn't have hurt anyone.

I'll let your insults pass. You are clearly as KeefG points out looking for a fight on this one. You clearly don't see anything wrong in playing while others are in range. Lets hope I'm not drawn in front of you at the Belfry or any other event.

 

[Smiffy]

How many new golfers do you know hit a ball 200 or more?

Errr....excuse me if I've got it wrong.
Who said they were "new" golfers????
I'm puzzled now

 

[Herbie]

A little spiky there HNJ

My point you missed amongst all your other rubbish was you say everyone has the potential to hit it miles and yet earlier in this thread say most people can only hit it 220 max. A slight difference and strange when you say you have seen lots of high handicappers acheive more than 220-230. A contradiction per chance.

What I'm trying to get across is that if someone has the capability of hitting further, even if they club down, they have the capability of hitting further than normal which would have taken them into the vicinity of the OP. Why would you want to do that on your last hole when a few extra minutes wouldn't have hurt anyone.

I'll let your insults pass. You are clearly as KeefG points out looking for a fight on this one. You clearly don't see anything wrong in playing while others are in range. Lets hope I'm not drawn in front of you at the Belfry or any other event.

Deary me,

I have seen lots of high h/c players hit the ball a long way.(lots is not hundreds and hundreds over 30 yrs)

I do believe most golfers have the ability to do this.(but dont)

What has that got to do with the opinion that most golfers will only muster a 200 or 220yd drive?

I dont understand how you link these togeather when they can all be separate issues in their own right?

As for looking for a fight goes why dont you read back through all of this and see who makes the first facetious , negative or insulting remark, followed by others.
Its a real childs den in here sometimes .

As for what you are trying to get across goes, I got it, I agree with it, so why repeat it?

What most testosterone paranoid pummped up golfers in this thread simply will not see nor accept are the possibilities that they may be wrong or inaccurate themselves. You only have one side of the story, yet instantly sides are taken assumptions made.

The only real trouble and problems leading to aggressive behavior on golf courses I have seen over the years has come from those who feel agrieved at something and over react without establishing facts.
Etiquette has nothing to do with this post the OP asks what we would do, so the etiquette question is past tence, whats left is what would be done based on the evidence of what happened.

 

[Herbie]

How many new golfers do you know hit a ball 200 or more?

Errr....excuse me if I've got it wrong.
Who said they were "new" golfers????
I'm puzzled now

Bloody hell, its an additional example to justify my over all opinion its like talking to....oh never mind , Ive got horses to feed.

 

[Herbie]

Got to go now, have things to do....
Youd be lost without me

 

[Smiffy]

Bloody hell, its an additional example to justify my over all opinion its like talking to....oh never mind , Ive got horses to feed.

Jeez.
Do you always get this arsey when somebody points out you are contradicting yourself...
Nobody (as far as I can see) mentioned "new" golfers apart from you Sir, and that was to justify your claims that not many people can hit over 200 yards, when you quite clearly state on another thread that even "newbies" are capable of hitting 300!!
I apologise unreservedly for ruffling your feathers.
I hope your horses enjoy their oats...don't push too hard

 

[Parmo]

I think we should have a putt out to end this argument