Golf Psychology

[Doon frae Troon]

I would be a bit worried about your charges, people may think that if he is that cheap he can't be any good.

I had an old friend/colleague in the 1970's who set out to be Britain's most expensive golf coach.
He was very clever at self publicity and he did very well, especially as he was a pretty poor coach.

 

[chrisd]

Quite right and is on my long to do list along with a few other bits and pieces that needs to go on the website. I studied at Leeds Trinity graduated with honours (Sport and exercise with psychology) Overall 2:1 but a high 1st class in sport psychology (highest in my year) the 2:1 still pains me but sport, history, and politics along with some very tricky modules in health psychology especially in written exams dragged me down from an overall 1st to my 2:1. I am taking a year out to set up my business and get some clients in before I go back and do my masters in sport psychology.

I got an o level in needlework!

I wish you the best of luck, I'd love to have done sports psychology!

 

[G_Mulligan]

I would be a bit worried about your charges, people may think that if he is that cheap he can't be any good.

I had an old friend/colleague in the 1970's who set out to be Britain's most expensive golf coach.
He was very clever at self publicity and he did very well, especially as he was a pretty poor coach.

I can't win here, some have said I am charging too much and that my prices are laughable and now you think I am too cheap! To be fair your point is something others have said the exact same thing about. As I am directly targeting the amateur market I felt going in with a similar price as a technique coach was the way to go.

 

[Jimbooo]

I can't win here, some have said I am charging too much and that my prices are laughable and now you think I am too cheap! To be fair your point is something others have said the exact same thing about. As I am directly targeting the amateur market I felt going in with a similar price as a technique coach was the way to go.

I would say getting some info about yourself (qualifications, bio, history, etc) is the most important thing.

To me, it looks like you're charging for a service with nothing to back it up.

 

[Fish]

I would say getting some info about yourself (qualifications, bio, history, etc) is the most important thing.

To me, it looks like you're charging for a service with nothing to back it up.

Which is what I eluded to earlier.

Adrain Riddell who is a member at my club has a transparent 'About' section on his website so people can immediately make an informed decision as to whether to contact him or not, the letters after his name clearly suggest he has invested in a wealth of experience, your is totally anonymous!

Adrian is also a 1 handicapper, what handicap do you hold?

http://www.sports-mind.com/about_adrian/index.html

 

[Rooter]

I think the site looks great greg, i hadnt commented on the thread at all until now.

A lot of my downfall is psychological i think. Fair play to you and good luck!! if you were local i would deffo consider seeing you!

Have you thought about the mechanics behind a "remote" service? i know thats probably nigh on impossible, but could spread the business for you!

 

[jp5]

Kudos for getting your business up and running! I hope it goes well for you

 

[G_Mulligan]

Which is what I eluded to earlier.

Adrain Riddell who is a member at my club has a transparent 'About' section on his website so people can immediately make an informed decision as to whether to contact him or not, the letters after his name clearly suggest he has invested in a wealth of experience, your is totally anonymous!

Adrian is also a 1 handicapper, what handicap do you hold?

http://www.sports-mind.com/about_adrian/index.html

I have always and will always be an honest an open person but what I am about to say will probably get me slaughtered by all and sundry. I currently play off 18! To be fair though I am a much better psychologist than I am a golfer...at the moment.

My goal is to continue working on my swing over the winter and be down to single figures by next summer and down to 4 by the end of next season. That is going to take a lot of hard work and effort but I am up for the challenge. Currently I do not take my driver to the course as I do not trust my swing and take hybrid off the tee. This puts a lot of pressure on my long irons and wedges/chipping/putting to save pars and bogeys. My short game is excellent at times though especially my distance wedges and even though I often have to lay up short on long par 4s and 5s I still get my fair share of pars. My main problem is playing in competitions off the whites and indigos make my home course very long. Once I get my driver going I have no doubt I will achieve my goals of single figures next year.

 

[G_Mulligan]

I think the site looks great greg, i hadnt commented on the thread at all until now.

A lot of my downfall is psychological i think. Fair play to you and good luck!! if you were local i would deffo consider seeing you!

Have you thought about the mechanics behind a "remote" service? i know thats probably nigh on impossible, but could spread the business for you!

Cheers Rooter, I have thought about but for now I am happy to build slowly in the local region and refine my skills and reputation. I do of course speak to people on the phone or with skype but this is just for updates and checking on progress the initial meetings and actual sessions are all done face to face.

 

[CMAC]

Which is what I eluded to earlier.

Adrain Riddell who is a member at my club has a transparent 'About' section on his website so people can immediately make an informed decision as to whether to contact him or not, the letters after his name clearly suggest he has invested in a wealth of experience, your is totally anonymous!

Adrian is also a 1 handicapper, what handicap do you hold?

http://www.sports-mind.com/about_adrian/index.html

I have always and will always be an honest an open person but what I am about to say will probably get me slaughtered by all and sundry. I currently play off 18! To be fair though I am a much better psychologist than I am a golfer...at the moment.

My goal is to continue working on my swing over the winter and be down to single figures by next summer and down to 4 by the end of next season. That is going to take a lot of hard work and effort but I am up for the challenge. Currently I do not take my driver to the course as I do not trust my swing and take hybrid off the tee. This puts a lot of pressure on my long irons and wedges/chipping/putting to save pars and bogeys. My short game is excellent at times though especially my distance wedges and even though I often have to lay up short on long par 4s and 5s I still get my fair share of pars. My main problem is playing in competitions off the whites and indigos make my home course very long. Once I get my driver going I have no doubt I will achieve my goals of single figures next year.

Adrian doesnt mention his 1 handicap on his site as it's not relevant, IMO you shouldn't either.

Adrians site does look good and his testimonials are excellent, he only seems to have 'letters after his name' in his address which I like, if anyone wants to research what they mean they can.

 

[bladeplayer]

Adrian doesnt mention his 1 handicap on his site as it's not relevant,

I also was going to ask the relevance of his handicap if im honest ?

Adrians site does look good and his testimonials are excellent, he only seems to have 'letters after his name' in his address which I like, if anyone wants to research what they mean they can

Be interesting to know how long the site is up and running and how much it has changed since its inception ..

 

[Fish]

Adrian doesnt mention his 1 handicap on his site as it's not relevant, IMO you shouldn't either.

Adrians site does look good and his testimonials are excellent, he only seems to have 'letters after his name' in his address which I like, if anyone wants to research what they mean they can.

I disagree, Adrian is a 'Sports' Psychologist so mentioning his handicap in his website is irreverent, however, when you want to target a particular sport and be a 'Golf' Psychologist I think knowing the level that teacher can play the game is extremely relevant as you should be looking to aspire to the same level that the teacher should be able to produce for themselves using their own proven psychology!

If the OP achieves his target of single figures in the next 12 months and becoming a Cat1 within 24 months, then he will have a great template and proven track record to sell, until then.......I'm out.

I wish him luck though in his new venture.

 

[CMAC]

I disagree, Adrian is a 'Sports' Psychologist so mentioning his handicap in his website is irreverent, however, when you want to target a particular sport and be a 'Golf' Psychologist I think knowing the level that teacher can play the game is extremely relevant as you should be looking to aspire to the same level that the teacher should be able to produce for themselves using their own proven psychology!

If the OP achieves his target of single figures in the next 12 months and becoming a Cat1 within 24 months, then he will have a great template and proven track record to sell, until then.......I'm out.

I wish him luck though in his new venture.

Did you mean to say irreverent as in showing lack of respect? if so I dont follow if Adrian mentioned his handicap he would be irreverent

As to the point in bold, should Butch Harmons pupils aspire to be a 12 h/cap from a touring pro

 

[Doon frae Troon]

My main problem is playing in competitions off the whites and indigos make my home course very long. Once I get my driver going I have no doubt I will achieve my goals of single figures next year.

What on earth is an indigo?

 

[Fish]

Did you mean to say irreverent as in showing lack of respect? if so I dont follow if Adrian mentioned his handicap he would be irreverent

As to the point in bold, should Butch Harmons pupils aspire to be a 12 h/cap from a touring pro

I'm entitled to my opinion so wind your neck in, I'm offering an opinion looking at it as if I was shopping around for this kind of service and as Adrian doesn't target golf he doesn't need to state his handicap, but, I'm sure it goes a long way when a golfer enquires to his services and finds he's a 1 handicapper which would go some way to underline and give confidence to that pupil, however, when someone is targeting golf as the OP is and then a pupil finds he's an 18 handicapper and fresh out of the classroom, I don't think it would be met with the same enthusiasm, do you?

Butch Harmons reference is laughable, he's an ex-pro ffs so he's been their and done it.

As I've said, I wish him luck, I don't think I'm being disrespectful, just honest as I see it, if I was looking into buying into the service would I want it with someone with such a high handicap and very little experience, no! I know everyone has to start somewhere so maybe he shouldn't concentrate on 'golf' and just be like Adrian and offer the service across all sports and build from their?

 

[CMAC]

I'm entitled to my opinion so wind your neck in, I'm offering an opinion looking at it as if I was shopping around for this kind of service and as Adrian doesn't target golf he doesn't need to state his handicap, but, I'm sure it goes a long way when a golfer enquires to his services and finds he's a 1 handicapper which would go some way to underline and give confidence to that pupil, however, when someone is targeting golf as the OP is and then a pupil finds he's an 18 handicapper and fresh out of the classroom, I don't think it would be met with the same enthusiasm, do you?

Butch Harmons reference is laughable, he's an ex-pro ffs so he's been their and done it.

As I've said, I wish him luck, I don't think I'm being disrespectful, just honest as I see it, if I was looking into buying into the service would I want it with someone with such a high handicap and very little experience, no! I know everyone has to start somewhere so maybe he shouldn't concentrate on 'golf' and just be like Adrian and offer the service across all sports and build from their?

where did that come from? maybe re-read my post again as I asked a simple question as I didnt understand your post and you come out with all guns blazing!!! confused.com

 

[G_Mulligan]

I disagree, Adrian is a 'Sports' Psychologist so mentioning his handicap in his website is irreverent, however, when you want to target a particular sport and be a 'Golf' Psychologist I think knowing the level that teacher can play the game is extremely relevant as you should be looking to aspire to the same level that the teacher should be able to produce for themselves using their own proven psychology!

If the OP achieves his target of single figures in the next 12 months and becoming a Cat1 within 24 months, then he will have a great template and proven track record to sell, until then.......I'm out.

I wish him luck though in his new venture.

It is an interesting one with golf even though I am just talking about psychology I am expected to be a teaching pro standard. As that is my ultimate goal anyway both for personal and professional reasons it is not a problem. Out of interest how many children would I need to be a child psychologist? Sorry I am being pedantic to prove a point. I understand golfers and their mentalities (it's my job) so I do also understand the need for me to be a low handicap golfer to earn the respect of many golfers seeking my service.

Just to also throw this out there Adrian is not a 'sports' psychologist which is a protected title. He is a mind coach that does not specialise in a single sport. I bet he is just as good at helping golfers as he is at helping the 100 hurdler from his testimonials but I wonder how fast he can sprint and hurdle? I specialise in golf because I love golf, I believe golf is more reliant on sound mental performance than 99% of other sports and because I believe golfers care about their performance and are willing to invest time and money to improve more than any other amateur sports. And I can help them do it.

 

[Fish]

Just to also throw this out there Adrian is not a 'sports' psychologist which is a protected title. He is a mind coach that does not specialise in a single sport. I bet he is just as good at helping golfers as he is at helping the 100 hurdler from his testimonials but I wonder how fast he can sprint and hurdle?

I understand this, I used the 'sports' tag to highlight that he (Adrian) wasn't targeting a specific sport, as such your comment regarding 'how fast he can sprint and hurdle' has no relevance as he's not targeting that specific sport, but your targeting golf and as such, I believe in my opinion it is important to play the game to a high standard, what that is, is open to discussion but I think single figures for a number of years would be a must for me to part with any money, IMHO.

 

[Allanxyz]

I understand this, I used the 'sports' tag to highlight that he (Adrian) wasn't targeting a specific sport, as such your comment regarding 'how fast he can sprint and hurdle' has no relevance as he's not targeting that specific sport, but your targeting golf and as such, I believe in my opinion it is important to play the game to a high standard, what that is, is open to discussion but I think single figures for a number of years would be a must for me to part with any money, IMHO.

This logic doesn't work for me, if G_Mulligan were to offer his services in a number of sports then his handicap is irrelevant, but because he's concentrating on golf it is important? If I was a top hurdler and went to Adrian, what would I care about his other services, I care about my sport and how good a psychologist he is.. fast runner or not. If you care that someone is an expert before they give psychology help the why does it make a difference if they do many sports or concentrate on one?

 

[Fish]

This logic doesn't work for me, if G_Mulligan were to offer his services in a number of sports then his handicap is irrelevant, but because he's concentrating on golf it is important?

Yes, I think that's correct. If you are concentrating on a specific sport and calling yourself a golf psychologist than I personally would expect you to be involved in the sport and would have applied your own golf psychology to your own game and have results to show for it. I think if you call yourself a golf psychologist the question of personal achievements and your personal handicap would be asked, IMO.

If you are a mind coach or sports psychologist or anything that doesn't lend itself by name to a specific sport then there are no preconceptions, the person you are seeking help from is by definition not automatically associated to your sport and as such doesn't need to take part in it for me to visit them.