Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Wrong there Taffy boy, Lineker and Allen represent me, and I would HOPE, millions more.
Good honest voices being heard against the an ever increasing UK cesspit of press and far right.
Gary Lineker
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Wrong there Taffy boy, Lineker and Allen represent me, and I would HOPE, millions more.
Good honest voices being heard against the an ever increasing UK cesspit of press and far right.
To my cynical eyes Lilly Allen was all about pubilicity for herself and massaging her own ego. Linekers comments were more on the lines of easy folks, have a bit of humanity. He didn't write a newspaper article on it, didn't do a documentary on it, just made a few classic twitter comments. Nothing unreasonable in what he said.
With regards to those coming in. My understanding is they already have some relatives in the UK. That is requirement number 1. That rules out chunks of people in Calais. There are few girls at Calais as that would not be safe. Families in trouble zones send the strongest member of the family across with the aim to bring the rest of the family over later. Way too many horrible things can happen to young girls on their own so they take the calculated decision to send young males across. That is why the coaches have been bringing in single, teenage boys/men. Still a huge risk but the risks are lower. Inevitable that few girls would be stepping off the coaches.
The rights and wrongs are another discussion entirely, okay another post, but that is how I see this particular situation.
With regards to those coming in. My understanding is they already have some relatives in the UK. That is requirement number 1. That rules out chunks of people in Calais. There are few girls at Calais as that would not be safe. Families in trouble zones send the strongest member of the family across with the aim to bring the rest of the family over later. Way too many horrible things can happen to young girls on their own so they take the calculated decision to send young males across. That is why the coaches have been bringing in single, teenage boys/men. Still a huge risk but the risks are lower. Inevitable that few girls would be stepping off the coaches.
The rights and wrongs are another discussion entirely, okay another post, but that is how I see this particular situation.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
The sun story is just click bait for the Brexiters and little Englanders . Know your audience .
Don't overly have a problem with people with a bit of fame expressing an opinion or bringing certain stories to the publics attention, , unless people feel we have to have our news and slant on stories officially endorsed by Dacre or Murdoch every time. You can always ignore Lilly Allen if she upsets you so much .
Also got a lot of time for Lineker , if you follow him on social media, watch the documentaries he does it read any of his newspaper columns you'll see he is very witty, informed and talks a lot of sense about the state of football . Also turns out he had a bit of compassion about the way society is heading as well . Top bloke.
Don't overly have a problem with people with a bit of fame expressing an opinion or bringing certain stories to the publics attention, , unless people feel we have to have our news and slant on stories officially endorsed by Dacre or Murdoch every time. You can always ignore Lilly Allen if she upsets you so much .
Also got a lot of time for Lineker , if you follow him on social media, watch the documentaries he does it read any of his newspaper columns you'll see he is very witty, informed and talks a lot of sense about the state of football . Also turns out he had a bit of compassion about the way society is heading as well . Top bloke.
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dewsweeper
Tour Rookie
Not going to get into the long debate on here but I think you have missed my point, I made no mention of a 5yr old etcetc.
Just thought to make a point,
IE. For every overage migrant a younger more vulnerable child will today be in the chaos that is Calais today.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I know you didn't - but whilst you are correct in that if we can only process so many a day - then yes - an 'overage' child may well have respite from Calais before a child - but you would hope that this would only be very short term and all children will be accepted very soon.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
And if we get upset or angry and irritated at celebs doing their bit to raise attention to a cause, then we might as well scrap all those TV fundraising events (Comic Relief, Sports Relief etc).
Sweep
Journeyman Pro
What cynical person you have become.
It is an entirely honest post. It does not mention that the UK is on the edge of Europe. It does not hide behind anything. For that matter it doesn't even mention that we are not in Shengen or that we have a better record than most in taking in Syrian refugees. I accept you will disappointed to see such a post from me, but that's life.
It also asks some GENUINE questions that you or anyone else have failed to answer that I think would help the British people understand the situation a whole lot better without the diatribe coming out of the right and left media helping to form their opinions.
I know you don't share my political views and we often disagree, but I am not dishonest and I am not uncompassionate.
Now, how about you read my post again and pretend it's written by someone you have no preconceived ideas about and then see what you think?
We should also remember that France is a safe country. There is some element of choice going on here as they could be processed and settle in France. Conscious decisions have been made to stay in this camp in order to go to the UK. I am sure the French will look after the children just as well as us in the UK.
MegaSteve
Tour Winner
On what basis do you believe it to be "ever increasing"....
Last Saturday there was a 'mass' demonstration by what was being described as a far right racist neo-Nazi group on the south coast... Apparently attended by 52 [yes, 52 too many]... Hardly an indication though of an ever increasing problem... Judging by what we saw in the morning, on passing through said town, we made it about 5 boys/girls in blue for each demonstrator....
Sweep
Journeyman Pro
Wrong there Doon.
Lily Allen does not represent anyone other than herself. You may agree with her but she is not your representative. It's not for her to apologise on our behalf. If she wants to do that she should stand for election and earn that right. She can express her opinion like anyone else. However, I can't imagine you or I being allowed into the camp with the media in tow to interview a boy. The fact that a singer with a famous dad who can do so is a fine example of how celebrity obsessed this country has become, even when we are dealing with issues as serious as this.
To anyone other than a fan it is clear it's a publicity stunt and completely ignorant of the fact that it is playing with people's lives. In that regard, it's actually a bit sick.
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Deleted member 16999
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Well put, plus boys of 13 and 14 are being made to fight by these waring factions, so again it is understandable that the families will send them out as refugees first so as to to save possibly losing them in battle.
Raesy92
Assistant Pro
Find some peoples views on this astonishing.
Many people seem to think that they have some define right to a better quality of life than these refugees. What makes us more entitled to be living in a safe, war free country, than those that are seeking refuge? Just because of our country of birth on our passport? As long as the correct screening procedures have been taken place then I don't have any problem with males over the age of 18 being allowed in to Britain with the view of finding a safe place stay to bring their wife and kids.
We always have enough money to support fighting in wars but seemingly never enough to pay for the consequences we have caused!
Coming from Scotland I was shocked at some of the conversations I heard when down in England the other month, even instances bordering on downright racism on a train journey. This Brexit vote has seemingly given many the right to spout whatever pish they like.
Many people seem to think that they have some define right to a better quality of life than these refugees. What makes us more entitled to be living in a safe, war free country, than those that are seeking refuge? Just because of our country of birth on our passport? As long as the correct screening procedures have been taken place then I don't have any problem with males over the age of 18 being allowed in to Britain with the view of finding a safe place stay to bring their wife and kids.
We always have enough money to support fighting in wars but seemingly never enough to pay for the consequences we have caused!
Coming from Scotland I was shocked at some of the conversations I heard when down in England the other month, even instances bordering on downright racism on a train journey. This Brexit vote has seemingly given many the right to spout whatever pish they like.
Im not going to deny that some have taken brexit as a free run to be a little more racist.
I think the notion that it is in some way racist to say enough is enough is ridiculous. I never hear Australia criticised for their rules?
different countries have significantly different rules and morales than ours. And letting our country be over run (not that it currently is) would not be a good idea IMO. Look at many of the oil rich countries and some of their laws. If we go there, we follow them or face severe punishment. Here we seem to accept many (not a problem), then allow their their laws to mix with ours (not acceptable).
Im not religious in the slightest but accept that if I go to To certain places I must not even converse out it. Yet here we open many other places of worship. Some think it's all well and good. Personally I think we have more than enough (of all religions).
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I suggested that it is not honest to the basic values of the UK on the grounds that this seems to be predicated on the basis of the UK having no responsibilities to accept ANY immigrants - and that we should do whatever we can to avoid accepting any unless we are almost forced to. You may not have meant it that way but that is how it comes across to me. Apologies if I have misunderstood.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
You are not wrong @Raesy92 - I live down in Surrey and find some of the views quite openly expressed on immigration and immigrants quite shocking - specially as in most cases the individuals do not actually seem to be effected that much - it seems more to be just their opinion. Of course I do hear much that is supportive.
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Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
I find your view astonishing. Do you suggest that we open our borders and attract anyone around the world to come and live in the UK as they deserve the same standard of living. Can you imagine the chaos that would create, our health and social services would collapse, we would not be able to house and feed the population and regular society would break down. There has to be a form of control.
I see you come from Scotland which has a low population per square mile, England has one of the highest in the world, come and take a look around our major cities, our net migration creates a city the size of Cardiff each year. Brexit is a symptom of the immigration problem not the cause.
hovis
Tour Winner
what this guy said.
Sweep
Journeyman Pro
Is it racist to suggest that English people are more racist than Scottish people?
Raesy92
Assistant Pro
Yes because I just said there should be no form of control at all ...
I was speaking of the refugee's that have came in that everyone is having an uproar over because they look over the age of 18! I see the rest of the post you have conveniently ignored.
The government could have tackled immigration from those outside the EU before Brexit and didn't so what is going to make that change now?
