SteveJay
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Brilliant!!!!!
Gary Lineker
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Brilliant!!!!!
Unfortunately I don't think the authorities are doing too well at their jobs ATM.
I agree some kids look older than others. But the photos released seem to show a very high percentage of children that appear at least older than suggested. Now that could be more that the stronger survive and so are likely. But when I see them coming over or attempting too. I see lots of young male adults and very few women.
Im in the camp of eniugh is enough. Simple asylum rules state that they have to seek it in first country they reach. As they aren't rowing all the to Dover direct. They shouldn't be coming over.
Sort out our lazy, benefit claimants first (not all). Then we can allow migration to aid areas where workforce is needed. Nit just where English people, they're too good to work.
SocketRocket
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I just wish the authorities and others would be honest. These people are not what would be termed Children, that congers up images of little kids, they are youths and young adults and it would have been better to have described them as such.
Doon frae Troon
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14 Children allowed to enter the UK on humanitarian grounds and many little Englanders go batpoo crazy.
Has it really come to that ?
Has it really come to that ?
chrisd
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A police friend who works Calais side told me just this week that when interviewing younger migrants they all, almost without exception, give their birthdate at interview as January 1st and whatever year takes them into minor status. Most of the immigrants lie about their country of origin and/or city or town, and whether they can read or write English which pretty much all the Syrian, Iraquis and the like can to some extent.
His parting words, why would anyone want us to let anyone they know absolutely nothing about into the country?
His parting words, why would anyone want us to let anyone they know absolutely nothing about into the country?
Old Skier
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I just find it strange that none of them seem to want to live in France or Scotland when asked where they want to go. Mind you, England has a lot of French and Scots living here so maybe that tells it all.
louise_a
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This is an interesting read
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...elieved-i-was-13-10-years-on-nothings-changed
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...elieved-i-was-13-10-years-on-nothings-changed
Tashyboy
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paul, there was no media reaction to the first lot, there was media reaction to
" some of the first lot" not all, and rightly so. As has been stated, why hide the first lot and not the second. If it is suggested that I am against bringing child refugees into this country, then people do not know me. As a dad and gangag, I would go to the end of the world to protect any child. But some of these Children and the authorities are taking the Mick.
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If they are under 18 they are a child mate, the link louise puts it way better than I ever could. I find the whole trial by media shocking.
These people, kids or not have gone through a great deal and I fully sympathise with them. But, a few things in regards to their age and or definition of child.
Many practice Islam, a religion where girls as young as 14 are seen fit to be married and bare child. For me, I'd use that as a definition and say anyone under 14 should have the priority when we accept them as they are children in their eyes.
Secondly, you're walking past a river and see an 8 yr old and a 17 yr old struggling to swim. Who do you save first?
whilst any parent will always call their son/daughter there child. There comes a time when they aren't children. I didn't ask for much help from 16 and would have resented being treated as a child. Granted it benefits them to be defined as such in this instance.
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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I agree DfT. I fear we the UK is turning into (if we not already are) a selfish, intolerant, self-entitled and insular country, using any excuse or tactic to avoid our humanitarian and moral responsibilities towards those in need - and to justify our behaviour and views. Paradoxically trying our very best to reject much of what made Britain 'great' whilst claiming that we do so to become 'great' again.
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Sweep
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To me it's quite simple. The UK (whether some like it or not) has agreed to take some children from the migrant camp in Calais. As the UK has agreed to take them because they are children it is perfectly reasonable for anyone to raise concerns if the migrants arriving do not appear to be children. Checks should be made. To ignore this would be to allow the system to be abused.
To me, this matter does raise a number of questions.
If these migrants are children, why have they not been taken care of by the French care system? In this regard are we as Brits being a bit hard on ourselves?
Even at this stage, where the camp is being destroyed, no-one has yet explained to me why so many want to come to the UK when they are already in a safe haven in France, so why?
Surely you stop becoming a refugee when you have reached a safe country? If so, then is this a row over where people want to live rather than saving them from danger? Surely, if they applied and were granted EU citizenship in France or indeed wherever they first landed, they could just walk into the UK under current rules?
As far as Lineker, Lily Allen et al are concerned, I think what upsets people is that whilst they are entitled to their opinion, they use their position as celebrities to ensure it carries more weight than others. They are not elected representatives. Lily Allen apologising for her country is the perfect example. She represents no-one other than herself. They will not be affected by immigration like others will be, so it's easy to take the moral high ground. If it all gets too much Lineker can always leave his English mansion and simply choose to live in his house behind the locked gates and security at Royal Westmorland in Barbados.
To me, this matter does raise a number of questions.
If these migrants are children, why have they not been taken care of by the French care system? In this regard are we as Brits being a bit hard on ourselves?
Even at this stage, where the camp is being destroyed, no-one has yet explained to me why so many want to come to the UK when they are already in a safe haven in France, so why?
Surely you stop becoming a refugee when you have reached a safe country? If so, then is this a row over where people want to live rather than saving them from danger? Surely, if they applied and were granted EU citizenship in France or indeed wherever they first landed, they could just walk into the UK under current rules?
As far as Lineker, Lily Allen et al are concerned, I think what upsets people is that whilst they are entitled to their opinion, they use their position as celebrities to ensure it carries more weight than others. They are not elected representatives. Lily Allen apologising for her country is the perfect example. She represents no-one other than herself. They will not be affected by immigration like others will be, so it's easy to take the moral high ground. If it all gets too much Lineker can always leave his English mansion and simply choose to live in his house behind the locked gates and security at Royal Westmorland in Barbados.
MegaSteve
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Can anyone explain why the younger girls, within the camp, who are probably more in need of help... Need to be [apparently] sought out to be offered the chance to come to our shores....
Tashyboy
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That kind of well written honesty has no place on this forum. Well written Sweep 👍
Tashyboy
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Exactly would love to hear the answer to that one.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Because they are young girls and therefore wary about coming forward - especially if by doing so there is a risk they are separated from people they know in exchange for the unknown. Not all the young children might have relatives in the UK.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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In my eyes it's not honest. It pretends to be a reasonable argument when in fact it hides behind the fact that the UK is at the edge of Europe - and uses that as a 'reason' for us not having any, or at best minimal, responsibility for refugees or immigrants. When we are in fact a member of the EU with joint ownership of issues, and we are a 'christian' (apparently) country whose reputation is based upon championing the rights of others, and caring for the dispossessed and endangered.
dewsweeper
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Not a very original idea I suppose but for me every overage immigrant that is accepted means possibly a child is left behind.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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As no exact figure has been put on the number of children I don't see someone in the Borders Agency telling a 5 yr old "sorry kid - we've reached our number - now toddle off and don't bother us again"
