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[Deleted member 16999]

Since so many people on here seem to plan to either upgrade and sell their classic unit or pass their upgrade code to somebody else I'm wondering if anybody has any information about how the upgrade process is going to look like?

I don't mean to be the party pooper here, but being able to upgrade to the new live unit while having the possibility to recover most or even all of the money by selling the classic device just sounds too good to be true, and experience shows that if something sounds too good to be true, it usually is...

I have never seen a company that would let something like that happen. If they did, their sales would plummet. Used classic devices would flood the market, which means everybody who doesn't need the new features would rather buy a used classic device instead of a new live unit and even those who wanted the new features could hope to get a good deal through someone who doesn't need his upgrade code (hey, why not order the upgrade and sell it for 150 GBP brand new on ebay?). Retailers wouldn't be happy as well, since their remaining stock of classic units (and maybe live units as well) would basically be rendered worthless.

So I'm quite sure GG will find a way to make sure this doesn't happen. The easiest way to do this would be by simply just selling the new device/belt clip but not another set of tags for the discounted price. Since a set of tags costs 99 GBP, a full (sellable) second set would cost 200 GBP, just like a full new set, so re-selling the classic unit (or the new unit) wouldn't make sense any more since it would be just as expensive as a full new set.
Existing customers would still get the new device for a great price, but they could effectivly prevent wiping out their own market.


Maybe I'm wrong, but I wouldn't make any binding contracts before the final procedure of the upgrade has been revealed.

I get your concerns but if you look back through these posts I copied an email I sent to GG and the reply received and they have stated it is the whole package for £99.00, it is a limited offer and they are probably thinking it's also a good way to get a lot more uses on to the system, if they'd have launched live at full price and it's inability to be used in comps, current users would probably not be interested, wereas doing a limited offer they are possibly doubling there market in a short swoop, which I imagine would raise the share price etc
When I took up the offer for the upgrade the reply was the same as my original order for the Classic with a delivery date due after the 19th November

 

[UlyssesSky]

I get your concerns but if you look back through these posts I copied an email I sent to GG and the reply received and they have stated it is the whole package for £99.00, it is a limited offer and they are probably thinking it's also a good way to get a lot more uses on to the system, if they'd have launched live at full price and it's inability to be used in comps, current users would probably not be interested, wereas doing a limited offer they are possibly doubling there market in a short swoop, which I imagine would raise the share price etc
When I took up the offer for the upgrade the reply was the same as my original order for the Classic with a delivery date due after the 19th November

I saw your post with the copied email, but since I still find it hard to believe figured that may also be a mistake in communication from their side.

I also don't see how doubling the number of users would be benificiary for them, since half of them are buying for half price and the other half is buying used. So while probably many of the existing customers who chose to upgrade wouldn't have bought the new device at full price, literally the complete revenue from the second half is lost, since they won't be buying new (and also won't be spending any money on GG any time soon).

"Company X doubles the number of units sold by cutting prices by 50%" isn't the kind of news that gets stock markets excited either...

I'm not saying you're wrong or misinterpreted the information they gave you, just that I still don't see how this would make sense for them.


btw, the live unit can be used in comps, as long as you don't use it in combination with the app. Using just the belt clip and the tags of the live unit is no different to using the classic unit and thus permitted in comps.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I saw your post with the copied email, but since I still find it hard to believe figured that may also be a mistake in communication from their side.

I also don't see how doubling the number of users would be benificiary for them, since half of them are buying for half price and the other half is buying used. So while probably many of the existing customers who chose to upgrade wouldn't have bought the new device at full price, literally the complete revenue from the second half is lost, since they won't be buying new (and also won't be spending any money on GG any time soon).

"Company X doubles the number of units sold by cutting prices by 50%" isn't the kind of news that gets stock markets excited either...

I'm not saying you're wrong or misinterpreted the information they gave you, just that I still don't see how this would make sense for them.


btw, the live unit can be used in comps, as long as you don't use it in combination with the app. Using just the belt clip and the tags of the live unit is no different to using the classic unit and thus permitted in comps.

If they have miscommunicated it at least i have an email to argue! .

What I mean about the number of users, publicity wise they can say "we have increased the number of users by X amount and now have Y amount with an account" and with future versions (I would guess there will be them) they have more people to aim at.

Obviously if the take up catches them out, it will cost them !!

Apologies over the confusion with live and comps I meant you can't use it with the new features, maybe they have future aspirations to do that.

I would also imagine they will phase out the Classic version and anyone replacing it or buying one will have to pay full price for the Live version.

 

[UlyssesSky]

What I mean about the number of users, publicity wise they can say "we have increased the number of users by X amount and now have Y amount with an account" and with future versions (I would guess there will be them) they have more people to aim at.

I see that, it just feels like, if that's what they aim for, the way they're doing it is a really expensive way to expand their mailing list...

If, on the other hand, they found a way to capitalize on the data they get from their enhanced userbase... I'd guess GG should have the most comprehensive data base of playing data from amateurs of all ability levels by now or at least after the update. That should be worth something...

I would also imagine they will phase out the Classic version and anyone replacing it or buying one will have to pay full price for the Live version.

I'd expect them to phase out the classic version, but since the live unit won't be more expensive than the classic this shouldn't influence purchase decisions too much.


Anyways, it's only a couple of days till the update, so we'll see what happens. If you're right I'll order the upgrade and sell either that or the classic as well.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So Game Golf Live is out today, the photo shows the difference between all versions, new features can only be used in non-competition, £99.00 seems like a good offer over the £249.95

 

[UlyssesSky]

How come you get it for GBP 99 instead of 249.95? The offer I got is for 50% off...?


Anyways, has anybody found anyting about the new "strokes-gained" feature? I just checked my account but could only find the same statistics as before. Will this only be available for rounds that get tagged from now on?

 

[MendieGK]

How come you get it for GBP 99 instead of 249.95? The offer I got is for 50% off...?


Anyways, has anybody found anyting about the new "strokes-gained" feature? I just checked my account but could only find the same statistics as before. Will this only be available for rounds that get tagged from now on?

i couldnt see anything either

 

[3565]

I'm still struggling why you'd want to upgrade to live? Surely if the industry is crying out for faster rounds then why give customers the ability to edit whilst playing, see up to the minute stats of how your performing and looking at your phone for the info? Doesn't make sense, so can those in the know enlighten me?

Im more interested in the shots gained function and how they are going to improve the mapping of putts?

 

[Scott W]

apologies if this is in the previous 91 pages (eek!)

I tried GG then gave up but have decided to give it another try....hardest thing is remembering to TAG!

Any top tips ?

 

[Hacker Khan]

apologies if this is in the previous 91 pages (eek!)

I tried GG then gave up but have decided to give it another try....hardest thing is remembering to TAG!

Any top tips ?

You just remember to tag. Copyright wittertainment.

 

[Hacker Khan]

How come you get it for GBP 99 instead of 249.95? The offer I got is for 50% off...?


Anyways, has anybody found anyting about the new "strokes-gained" feature? I just checked my account but could only find the same statistics as before. Will this only be available for rounds that get tagged from now on?

On the link I was sent from them if you click on the UK option then the price comes out at £197.40, and you voucher code knocks you 50% off that.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I'm still struggling why you'd want to upgrade to live? Surely if the industry is crying out for faster rounds then why give customers the ability to edit whilst playing, see up to the minute stats of how your performing and looking at your phone for the info? Doesn't make sense, so can those in the know enlighten me?

Im more interested in the shots gained function and how they are going to improve the mapping of putts?

May be some people just like having the latest gismos? Also I suppose not everyone plays when you have to get a shift on. I can imagine if you have a bit of time to play then it could be fun to see in game stats. Plus there is actually a lot of waiting around involved in golf, so you could do whatever you need to do then and it would not add time onto the round if you were sensible about it.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

apologies if this is in the previous 91 pages (eek!)

I tried GG then gave up but have decided to give it another try....hardest thing is remembering to TAG!

Any top tips ?

Part of pre shot routine, second nature now

 

[Scott W]

Part of pre shot routine, second nature now

How long did that take?

 

[User 105]

I'm still struggling why you'd want to upgrade to live? Surely if the industry is crying out for faster rounds then why give customers the ability to edit whilst playing, see up to the minute stats of how your performing and looking at your phone for the info? Doesn't make sense, so can those in the know enlighten me?

Im more interested in the shots gained function and how they are going to improve the mapping of putts?

The thing that sold me on the upgrade is being able to sync my rounds whilst I'm away and not need to have access to a computer.

The live stats etc, I'm not bothered by. The rangefinder I don't need, but I could see that as a good reason if you don't have one already.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

How long did that take?

5-10 rounds, more double tagging than missed ones now!😃

 

[3565]

The thing that sold me on the upgrade is being able to sync my rounds whilst I'm away and not need to have access to a computer.

The live stats etc, I'm not bothered by. The rangefinder I don't need, but I could see that as a good reason if you don't have one already.

Thats one good feature I suppose. But not to warrant the upgrade and the other features would be a distraction on course, to me anyway. But if some find it useful then it would be a good deal.

 

[UlyssesSky]

On the link I was sent from them if you click on the UK option then the price comes out at £197.40, and you voucher code knocks you 50% off that.

Interesting. When I click on the Germany option I get the exact same price (€325.95) as in the regular shop and the code knocks 50% of that, so the final price for me would be about €163.

Interestingly, that's about GBP 116, so more than you are paying for the promo upgrade, while the non-reduced € price is actually almost GBP 20 less than the UK price (€325 is about GBP 320 with today's exchange rate)...

The thing that sold me on the upgrade is being able to sync my rounds whilst I'm away and not need to have access to a computer.

That would be the only interesting feature for me as well, but not worth the upgrade price. Seeing I probably won't be able to sell the classic device for more than €100 max (probably less), €60+ just for the ability to sync the rounds while I'm away just isn't worth it. I'd rather take my laptop with me.

 

[User 105]

When I used my code it said the price was £199, so discounted down to £99. Seems after the initial code was sent they have put it back up to the original retail of £249.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Emailed GG tonight to ask when the strokes gained etc update will be released to GG Classic, the answer back was "later in the year" they don't have an exact date yet, announcement to follow.