rgs
Tour Rookie
Cant call it a Gerry Adams as he argues he was never in the Provos.Better to call it a Martin McGuinness as least he admitted he was a provisional.
Following on from the rules thread..
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Cant call it a Gerry Adams as he argues he was never in the Provos.Better to call it a Martin McGuinness as least he admitted he was a provisional.
backwoodsman
Tour Winner
A summary (I think) on the various questions raised...
You strike your tee shot into the cack.
a) because of where it was heading, you really are not interested in finding it. So you may play another shot from the tee. You <u>do not</u> say its a provisional (or if asked you say "no"). This ball becomes the ball in play - playing three. The original is not lost but abandoned (pedantic but there you go). Legal, and not cheating, but smacks of gamesmanship ... No point in anyone else looking for the orginal as its no longer the ball in play. And if you are lucky & happen past the ball and like the look of it's lie - tough, you can't change your mind.
b) You are an optimist and hope to find the ball but are a bit worried. So you declare you are going to play a provisional - and smack it straight up the middle. Your original is lying 1, and the provisional is lying 3.
You go to start looking. As you approach the cack, you see that finding it will be "a bad thing". You <u>can't</u> declare it lost. You <u>can</u> say you're not going to look, but if the others decide to do so then you have to hope they don't find it. If they do, then it's the ball in play and you must abandon the provisional.
Likewise, you may actually be keen to find it and search vigorously. You find it but you don't like the lie, Tough. You can't play the provisional and have to take the normal "unplayable" options.
There is one potential way round of using the provisional even if the original is looked for when you don't want it to be. Whilst they are looking, play the next shot with the provisional. (when it stops, its now lying 4) If they find the original <u>behind</u> where you just played, then your provisional has become the ball in play. But of course, you might fall foul of playing out of turn and have to have the shot recalled (but doesn't alter that the original is no longer in play). If they find the original <u>nearer the hole</u> than where the provisional was lying 3, then the provisional has to be abandoned and you are faced with playing the original lying 1 - with whatever options are available
You strike your tee shot into the cack.
a) because of where it was heading, you really are not interested in finding it. So you may play another shot from the tee. You <u>do not</u> say its a provisional (or if asked you say "no"). This ball becomes the ball in play - playing three. The original is not lost but abandoned (pedantic but there you go). Legal, and not cheating, but smacks of gamesmanship ... No point in anyone else looking for the orginal as its no longer the ball in play. And if you are lucky & happen past the ball and like the look of it's lie - tough, you can't change your mind.
b) You are an optimist and hope to find the ball but are a bit worried. So you declare you are going to play a provisional - and smack it straight up the middle. Your original is lying 1, and the provisional is lying 3.
You go to start looking. As you approach the cack, you see that finding it will be "a bad thing". You <u>can't</u> declare it lost. You <u>can</u> say you're not going to look, but if the others decide to do so then you have to hope they don't find it. If they do, then it's the ball in play and you must abandon the provisional.
Likewise, you may actually be keen to find it and search vigorously. You find it but you don't like the lie, Tough. You can't play the provisional and have to take the normal "unplayable" options.
There is one potential way round of using the provisional even if the original is looked for when you don't want it to be. Whilst they are looking, play the next shot with the provisional. (when it stops, its now lying 4) If they find the original <u>behind</u> where you just played, then your provisional has become the ball in play. But of course, you might fall foul of playing out of turn and have to have the shot recalled (but doesn't alter that the original is no longer in play). If they find the original <u>nearer the hole</u> than where the provisional was lying 3, then the provisional has to be abandoned and you are faced with playing the original lying 1 - with whatever options are available
Cernunnos
Journeyman Pro
Great summing up Backwoodsman 
EchtLoon
Challenge Tour Pro
Nope, not me, if it's in deep deep trouble and my provo is good, I won't look. I play to score well, not save two quid but ruin my score.
Many years ago right enough, I did used to play often with this old guy from work whose first score was how many balls he was up or down for the round, he got more pleasure from having lost two but found five to be 3 up on the day, than if he'd beaten his handicap.
haplesshacker
Money List Winner
Lovely description Backwodman. That clears it up for me. It's just remembering it!!
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