Florida school shooting

[Beezerk]

One man with pistol, might hit a man at 30 m v automatic rifle that can hit man at 200 m. Takes a certain type of person to go into the unknown under those conditions and I personally think the chief of police was wrong to make the incident public.

Yeah I get that but what is his job exactly, to stop something like this happening is it not? In fairness he should have been armed better but he has obviously been trained for situations just like this. I guess it’s the same as a soldier bottling it in a combat situation.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Yeah I get that but what is his job exactly, to stop something like this happening is it not? In fairness he should have been armed better but he has obviously been trained for situations just like this. I guess it’s the same as a soldier bottling it in a combat situation.

Will he have been trained though? I don't know but it may be a Mall Cop job. I doubt he ever thought something like this would happen.

We need one of our US people to comment here but if it is a low paid job, uniform and a badge, away you go mate then is he really in a position to take someone on who is armed with a gun that can fire god knows how many bullets per second? He waited for armed back up, not sure I blame him. It was real life, not Die Hard.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Will he have been trained though? I don't know but it may be a Mall Cop job. I doubt he ever thought something like this would happen.

We need one of our US people to comment here but if it is a low paid job, uniform and a badge, away you go mate then is he really in a position to take someone on who is armed with a gun that can fire god knows how many bullets per second? He waited for armed back up, not sure I blame him. It was real life, not Die Hard.

Part of the Sherrif’s Dept on $75,000 per annum. Even if he was highly trained there may still be a reason why he didn’t react as some of us may hoped.
That’s what the investigation may of found out, suspended on no pay, so he decides to resign/retire as he had enough service for pension.
For the next 24/48hrs the focus will be on the failure of a law enforcement officer not the gun laws etc, less focus on nra.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Not chicken feed then, a proper job. I believe the police arrived 4 minutes after it was called in. He may have been told to wait for back up, you will know better than me on that one Paul.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Only watched the Sherriff’s press conference, he stated the Officer arrived at the building 90 seconds after shooting started and took a defensive position for 4 minutes, shooting lasted 6 minutes.

Sherriff stated he had watched the video of this and had decided after viewing it plus eye-witness statements to suspend the Officer.

It must be pretty damning evidence for him to do that, but it was not easy watching him say it, he was almost saying, imo, the Officers action caused a bigger loss of life.

Why he couldn’t say the Officer was suspended while an investigation takes place and leave it at that I don’t know.

 

[Beezerk]

Why he couldn’t say the Officer was suspended while an investigation takes place and leave it at that I don’t know.

American cops and tv for you, you get names and details just about straight away over there.

 

[sawtooth]

When you hear stories of unarmed teachers jumping in front of bullets to protect kids , an armed police officer waiting outside sounds a bit of a coward tbh.

After all his job is to help protect the public and he wasn’t doing much protecting from reports.

Also if he felt that he did nothing wrong he wouldn’t resign would he?

 

[Papas1982]

When you hear stories of unarmed teachers jumping in front of bullets to protect kids , an armed police officer waiting outside sounds a bit of a coward tbh.

After all his job is to help protect the public and he wasn’t doing much protecting from reports.

Also if he felt that he did nothing wrong he wouldn’t resign would he?

I think with what’s been shown, whether he felt guilty or not. It was clear he’s now the scapegoat. Resign has protected his pension so may have been advised to do so.

re being a coward, I think that’s harsh. Nobody knows how they’ll react in that scenario until it happens. But all means call anyone who jumped in the way a hero, but running from bullets is probably the more common reaction.

 

[Old Skier]

When you hear stories of unarmed teachers jumping in front of bullets to protect kids , an armed police officer waiting outside sounds a bit of a coward tbh.

After all his job is to help protect the public and he wasn’t doing much protecting from reports.

Also if he felt that he did nothing wrong he wouldn’t resign would he?

A bit harsh. Another day he might have reacted another way. I wonder how brave you would be armed with a pistol against someone with a semi automatic rifle.

 

[sawtooth]

I think with what’s been shown, whether he felt guilty or not. It was clear he’s now the scapegoat. Resign has protected his pension so may have been advised to do so.

re being a coward, I think that’s harsh. Nobody knows how they’ll react in that scenario until it happens. But all means call anyone who jumped in the way a hero, but running from bullets is probably the more common reaction.

OK a little harsh but tbf we aren’t talking about someone, anyone, a passer by, it’s a trained, weapon carrying, police officer.

 

[sawtooth]

A bit harsh. Another day he might have reacted another way. I wonder how brave you would be armed with a pistol against someone with a semi automatic rifle.

Well if I was a trained police officer with a weapon, I would like to think that I would be brave enough to go inside and do the best I could to protect the unarmed kids.

Until I was put in that position I couldn’t say.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Also if he felt that he did nothing wrong he wouldn’t resign would he?

Whenever a senior police officer is up for disciplinary action in this country and they don't fancy their chances they resign as it stops the investigation and protects the pension. Seen it happen over and over again. Seems like the same set up over there.

 

[Beezerk]

The irony is beautiful, just when the USA needed one of those gun happy cops, they get someone who probably thought he was on easy street with a dream “steady” job to see him out until retirement. Going on what my dci mate said, he’s probably been put there as he was a rubbish cop, put out to graze if you will.

 

[Old Skier]

The irony is beautiful, just when the USA needed one of those gun happy cops, they get someone who probably thought he was on easy street with a dream “steady” job to see him out until retirement. Going on what my dci mate said, he’s probably been put there as he was a rubbish cop, put out to graze if you will.

My thoughts exactly

 

[Khamelion]

Putting the suspended officer to one side, the floppy haired commander in chief has said that teachers should be armed to prevent incidents like this happening. Yes indeed Mr President yet another stupid idea. Great in principal until a teacher decides to go postal.

If it wasn't so easy to make up you wouldn't believe it, but you can see the day that teachers get to carry pistols, one arrives at school having a bad day, just broke up from his or her partner, hot coffee spilled down the front of them while driving into work, a little bit of road rage and the blood starts to boil, then in class the awkward student starts to get all lippy and just keeps pushing the teacher, the teacher snaps and shows the class that the lippy kid did indeed have brains he just chose to apply them wrong by splattering them over the other students.

Arming teachers is not the way to go, arming teachers is heading down the road of anarchy.

What will trump come up with next, free Kevlar vests for all students.

Schools locked down at 09:00hrs on the dot, class rooms locked internally, that's not a school that's a prison.

 

[clubchamp98]

Spend a lot of time in the USA and there are many dangerous things there Bears , alligators etc .
The most dangerous thing is humans with guns.
Now I get some people need them out in the wild but nobody needs an assault rifle living in LA or any other city.

They need joined up thinking but with potus in favour nothing is going to happen.

Really felt for the guy on news last night who told the President “I will never see my beautiful daughter again” it was heart breaking.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Just seen one of his latest tweets.

'What many people don’t understand, or don’t want to understand, is that Wayne, Chris and the folks who work so hard at the @NRA are Great People and Great American Patriots. They love our Country and will do the right thing. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!'

So pretty clear to me that whatever will change, if anything, will be endorsed and agreed by the NRA first.

 

[Old Skier]

From the man who allegedly dodged the draft http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43174069

 

[Khamelion]

Trump is a businessman not a politician all he sees is the bottom line and making money, if the NRA will get behind any policy he wants to push through by donating votes and money Trump will be their lap dog, he'll no doubt also accept any large donations (Yeah lets calls them donations) that would see a NRA bill getting passed.

The US is where the rich get richer, the poor get poorer and the rich don't give a toss as long as they have their money and material items, they'll feel they have done enough by giving to a gun crime charity every once in a while but will feel hard done by in doing so, in that the rich will be thinking why should I be given to the families of gun crime, it wasn't me that pulled the trigger, sold the gun, what has it got to do with me and once the money is donated they'll bury their heads in the sand until the next time they donate where their apathetic apology will be so nauseatingly false and transparent.

Yes there is gun crime in he poorer parts of the US, but that is so common it is barely news worthy.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Well if I was a trained police officer with a weapon, I would like to think that I would be brave enough to go inside and do the best I could to protect the unarmed kids.

Until I was put in that position I couldn’t say.

Beezerk could be right, he could be an old boy, nearing retirement, given a easy assignment. He also may never have fired his weapon in anger or he may even of been through some nasty situations in his career and faced with the situation again went in meltdown, or suffer with ptsd, or he was a coward.

Whatever the reason it’s unfair to judge him until all the facts are known and believe me, you have no idea how you, me or anyone would react in that situation, regardless of trg or what you think you can do.