Florida school shooting

[Hosel Fade]

It is just silly, they have their guns for protection (when the class is called assault rifles). They are not used for hunting or anything productive other than showing off how much of a super army soldier you are in front of your mates at the range. No one needs a rifle with a 30+ round magazine capacity for any practical purpose (some states do limit magazine size but the vast majority do not).

They are very cheap and you can easily get one for the price of a current model driver which is very concerning.

Not sure what the answer is re classifying these things but raising the purchasing age to 21 and making the 10 round magazine limit a federal thing rather than just in 8 states would be a start.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Beezerk could be right, he could be an old boy, nearing retirement, given a easy assignment. He also may never have fired his weapon in anger or he may even of been through some nasty situations in his career and faced with the situation again went in meltdown, or suffer with ptsd, or he was a coward.

Whatever the reason it’s unfair to judge him until all the facts are known and believe me, you have no idea how you, me or anyone would react in that situation, regardless of trg or what you think you can do.

By some distance the most sensible comment on this thread. :thup:

We know what he was supposedly not doing, do we know what he actually was doing during that time, and why he was doing what he was doing? Answer, no we don't and until we do we are in no position to judge. I'm not saying it looks good, but there may be reasons why.

 

[Khamelion]

It is just silly, they have their guns for protection (when the class is called assault rifles). They are not used for hunting or anything productive other than showing off how much of a super army soldier you are in front of your mates at the range. No one needs a rifle with a 30+ round magazine capacity for any practical purpose (some states do limit magazine size but the vast majority do not).

They are very cheap and you can easily get one for the price of a current model driver which is very concerning.

Not sure what the answer is re classifying these things but raising the purchasing age to 21 and making the 10 round magazine limit a federal thing rather than just in 8 states would be a start.

I was going to make a point on why they don't just ban all cartridge based weapons larger than .22, but then I remembered the NRA.

 

[Imurg]

Just heard on the radio that there will be no real change to the gun laws despite all the coverage ....
Well, I'm sorry to say that, if that is the case, I withdraw all sympathy for America when the next shooting occurs.
They, as a country, don't want to change.
If thousands of lost lives each year don't do the trick then it means America must be willing to accept these losses.
In which case I have no sympathy for them.

If the people really do want change then they have to mobilise millions, not thousands.
Blockade the White House and Capitol Hill, flood the streets with protesters on a biblical scale.

If they don't, then I don't have a care for them anymore.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

By some distance the most sensible comment on this thread. :thup:

We know what he was supposedly not doing, do we know what he actually was doing during that time, and why he was doing what he was doing? Answer, no we don't and until we do we are in no position to judge. I'm not saying it looks good, but there may be reasons why.

Trump is now suggesting that the policeman who was on duty is a coward. A coward...this will be so disheartening and distressing for that policeman and his family. We know nothig about him - and neither - I suspect - does Trump. Just great coming from a lily-livered draft dodger of a bully.

 

[Khamelion]

Trump is now suggesting that the policeman who was on duty is a coward. A coward...this will be so disheartening and distressing for that policeman and his family. We know nothig about him - and neither - I suspect - does Trump. Just great coming from a lily-livered draft dodger of a bully.

Trump's idea of ruling, managing, governing, call it what your will is negative reinforcement, in that those who fail are seen as weak and unworthy, they are castigated and vilified to be made an example of so that others are shown what is expected.

Okay the copper may have made a misjudgement, he may have been acting on orders, he could be being made a scapegoat we don't know, but to publically call him a coward, is nothing but a cowardly action itself from Trump.

 

[Beezerk]

He also may never have fired his weapon in anger or he may even of been through some nasty situations in his career and faced with the situation again went in meltdown.

This one sounds plausible, probably a career small town cop who just went along doing his thing and never saw any major action at all, your proper local Bobby type. Didn't the town where it happened win some award recently as being the most peaceful in the US or something on those lines?
Feel sorry for him in a way, POTUS on his case is bad form and he's been made to look a right winker.

 

[SteveJay]

This one sounds plausible, probably a career small town cop who just went along doing his thing and never saw any major action at all, your proper local Bobby type. Didn't the town where it happened win some award recently as being the most peaceful in the US or something on those lines?
Feel sorry for him in a way, POTUS on his case is bad form and he's been made to look a right winker.

Even so if I was a parent of one of the victims I don't think i would be able to forgive him for doing nothing or be as diplomatic as some forum members above. Saying that, I agree that Trump probably doesn't have all the info to support his statement.

 

[Kellfire]

Saw this on Facebook about how Japan handle guns in society...

https://youtu.be/tPLoW4eFwiM

 

[Deleted member 16999]

This one sounds plausible, probably a career small town cop who just went along doing his thing and never saw any major action at all, your proper local Bobby type. Didn't the town where it happened win some award recently as being the most peaceful in the US or something on those lines?
Feel sorry for him in a way, POTUS on his case is bad form and he's been made to look a right winker.

Even so if I was a parent of one of the victims I don't think i would be able to forgive him for doing nothing or be as diplomatic as some forum members above. Saying that, I agree that Trump probably doesn't have all the info to support his statement.

If he simply bottled it then he deserves everything he has coming, I read he’d been the school cop there for years, he probably knew the victims as well.

The local Police are also guarding his house, is that from the media or from locals?

Either way, It’s the timing of all this and how it’s deflected from the other issues and now we have the draft dodging idiot calling someone a coward.

 

[Beezerk]

Even so if I was a parent of one of the victims I don't think i would be able to forgive him for doing nothing or be as diplomatic as some forum members above. Saying that, I agree that Trump probably doesn't have all the info to support his statement.

I agree mate, from a fathers stance I'd be wanting to do bad things to him knowing he just hid or did nothing, when he's there to try and stop this type of thing. I don't know what the answer is, a Marine in every school who is prepared to do the biz should something happen? That isn't plausible is it. Obviously a common or garden local cop isn't the answer as guns are there to stay in the USA.

 

[larmen]

If you see any other news you usually have police controlling the perimeter, calling in a swat team. Now a school guard is supposed to take out a shooter with a rifle in tactical gear?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I agree mate, from a fathers stance I'd be wanting to do bad things to him knowing he just hid or did nothing, when he's there to try and stop this type of thing. I don't know what the answer is, a Marine in every school who is prepared to do the biz should something happen? That isn't plausible is it. Obviously a common or garden local cop isn't the answer as guns are there to stay in the USA.

They’ve had mass shootings on Military bases over there, like you I don’t know what the answer, but I’m 99% sure more guns isn’t the solution.

 

[Beezerk]

but I’m 99% sure more guns isn’t the solution.

100%
What would happen in the UK should it be legal for everyone to walk around with knives?
No brainer.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

100%
What would happen in the UK should it be legal for everyone to walk around with knives?
No brainer.

It’s too embedded in their culture and to change that it would take generations and probably billions of dollars.

The best deterrent to more guns is the Chris Kyle story.

 

[Sats]

I used to live in the states and it's mental - got strict laws about a pint, yet when I opened a bank account I was offered a firearm, which depended on how much I deposited when opening a new account - got offered a choice of a P228 or a Glock 17. When I opened my Midland Bank account it was £50 added or a young person railcard!

 

[ColchesterFC]

Re: Arming teachers.......Saw a stat on Twitter yesterday that said that in a live shooting situation the accuracy of a trained police marksman is 18%. So in a high pressure situation, the highly trained police shooter will hit his target with less than 1 in 5 shots. Now imagine a teacher that has been given basic training in firearms. Even assuming a best case scenario where the teacher is half as accurate he will only hit his target with less than 1 in 10 shots. In a classroom full of kids the concern has to be where the other 9 out of 10 shots end up.

 

[Tashyboy]

Re: Arming teachers.......Saw a stat on Twitter yesterday that said that in a live shooting situation the accuracy of a trained police marksman is 18%. So in a high pressure situation, the highly trained police shooter will hit his target with less than 1 in 5 shots. Now imagine a teacher that has been given basic training in firearms. Even assuming a best case scenario where the teacher is half as accurate he will only hit his target with less than 1 in 10 shots. In a classroom full of kids the concern has to be where the other 9 out of 10 shots end up.

Adding to that Colchester, the teacher has a handgun? daughter is doing shoots up to 20 yd max with a hand gun. You are then expected to tackle someone with a semi automatic which is accurate up to hundreds of yards. Which also fires hundreds of times quicker. Not going to happen am afraid.

 

[sawtooth]

Adding to that Colchester, the teacher has a handgun? daughter is doing shoots up to 20 yd max with a hand gun. You are then expected to tackle someone with a semi automatic which is accurate up to hundreds of yards. Which also fires hundreds of times quicker. Not going to happen am afraid.

Then the most sensible thing to do is to equip teachers with AR-15’s 😜

Actually why stop there, let students carry guns into school so they can defend themselves - it’s their right after all. 🤪

It’s all bonkers.

 

[Beezerk]

Companies are dropping the NRA as sponsors, is this the start of something significant?