First club interview...

[Hacker Khan]

Controversial @Smiffy as we'll agree it's not factually true - but I have to agree as complete non-engagement with your club as poster describes basically means he ain't a participating member of the club. He's missing out IMO and lessens if not completely minimises his voice on any matter he is happy or unhappy with. I think the attitude is disappointing myself, but he'll no doubt tell us he pays his money and it's then his business what engagement he has with the club. Club don't just need members - they need participating members.

You could argue they need both. Too many people wanting their say and putting their voice forwards could lead to all sorts of paralysis and long tedious meetings and discussions about getting anything done. And also in today's society there is probably an increasing amount of people that just mostly want to rock up, play some golf and then get back home in under 5 hours. Too many either way is probably not good for most clubs and it's a balance.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You could argue they need both. Too many people wanting their say and putting their voice forwards could lead to all sorts of paralysis and long tedious meetings and discussions about getting anything done. And also in today's society there is probably an increasing amount of people that just mostly want to rock up, play some golf and then get back home in under 5 hours. Too many either way is probably not good for most clubs and it's a balance.

I don't think having too many members wanting a say is a bad thing - it just needs to be managed properly or as you say - potential chaos and inertia. And I accept there are those who want to turn up and play and get home in 5hrs. But I think most of those and who don't otherwise 'participate' in club life could probably make the 2-3hrs time of an evening to go to the AGM. If that is their one 'participation' in the year it is an important contribution to the life and well-being of the club.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

I don't think having too many members wanting a say is a bad thing - it just needs to be managed properly or as you say - potential chaos and inertia. And I accept there are those who want to turn up and play and get home in 5hrs. But I think most of those and who don't otherwise 'participate' in club life could probably make the 2-3hrs time of an evening to go to the AGM. If that is their one 'participation' in the year it is an important contribution to the life and well-being of the club.

I am slightly of the opinion that less members having their say is better. Too many people think they are experts at everything and that they know best. In most cases, this couldn't be further from the truth. Leave it up to the people who know what they are talking about in my eyes.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I am slightly of the opinion that less members having their say is better. Too many people think they are experts at everything and that they know best. In most cases, this couldn't be further from the truth. Leave it up to the people who know what they are talking about in my eyes.

Which is true - but I believe that the greatest possible level of member engagement is crucial. Maybe not in every decision - that is why we elect committees - but certainly in such as significant changes to the course - or doing away with the introductory interview

 

[DanFST]

He's missing out IMO and lessens if not completely minimises his voice on any matter he is happy or unhappy with. I think the attitude is disappointing myself.

Obviously we have a differing of opinion. But the fact that a paying member has no voice on what goes on, because he isn't part of a particular clique is ridiculous.

I'm in the same boat, I play with my old schoolmates on a weekend, then my regular members on wednesday. None of them care about their hierarchy in the club, none of them care what position the person has they are talking too. We are just a friendly bunch that enjoy playing golf. I know who my the "powerful people" are in my club now i've been there a year. But I don't seek them out to socialise with them. Why in your opinion should we have no say?

We suggested the bar prices be dropped as the pub across the road (which is much nicer) had been refurbished and was much cheaper. We play our round then always have a pint in the clubhouse, Then go over the road and have 10 more. I voiced my concern, and had random people i'd never met came up to me around the club to say they disagreed with me, no one used the pub over the road. And I should've gone through the proper channels and that it wasn't the way the club worked etc.... These members, are exactly the same as me, but they want to feel more important. Thankfully the owner agreed and dropped the prices.

 

[Coatsy79]

Controversial @Smiffy as we'll agree it's not factually true - but I have to agree as complete non-engagement with your club as poster describes basically means he ain't a participating member of the club. He's missing out IMO and lessens if not completely minimises his voice on any matter he is happy or unhappy with. I think the attitude is disappointing myself, but he'll no doubt tell us he pays his money and it's then his business what engagement he has with the club. Club don't just need members - they need participating members.

What do I have to be unhappy about? My course is nice, well kept, I have nothing to complain about

I'd certainly help out if they needed me, I know the owner reasonably well I'm sure he'd ask me if it was needed

But something just grinds me about having to go to an interview in a suit so that someone can take my money off me to be able to play a sport that is my leisure time



In any other walk of life businesses are competing my for money, I wouldn't expect a formal interview from any other purveyors of leisure activities

 

[Coatsy79]

Powerbilt Air Force One (Don't laugh) 10.5Fujikura 55g S
Tour Edge Exotics XCG4 4 Wood Fujikura Motore Tour 80g R
Adams RPM Low Profile 5 Wood ProLaunch Blue 75g R
Taylormade Porsche Design Hybrid 22 Fujikura Rombax 85g R
Titliest AP1 4-PW Nippon NS Pro 105T R
Callaway X Jaws CC 52 Gap Wedge
Callaway X Jaws MD 58 Sand/Lob Wedge
Taylormade Ghost Spider S

Not being funny here Coatsy, but you've gone to the time and trouble to list your golf equipment to the enth degree but you don't like the elitist way that golf is looked upon and you can't be arsed to find out who your clubs Captain or Secretary are???
Somethings not right.

It's listed because everyone seems to list their WITB in their signature, sorry if it offends you

I don't know who my captain or secretary are because it doesn't matter to me, I play golf with my friends because it's a fun thing to do on a hot summers day

I can barely spare the time for a round let alone worrying myself about the ins and outs of a golf club, it's a field to hit a ball around as far as I'm concerned

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Obviously we have a differing of opinion. But the fact that a paying member has no voice on what goes on, because he isn't part of a particular clique is ridiculous.

I'm in the same boat, I play with my old schoolmates on a weekend, then my regular members on wednesday. None of them care about their hierarchy in the club, none of them care what position the person has they are talking too. We are just a friendly bunch that enjoy playing golf. I know who my the "powerful people" are in my club now i've been there a year. But I don't seek them out to socialise with them. Why in your opinion should we have no say?

We suggested the bar prices be dropped as the pub across the road (which is much nicer) had been refurbished and was much cheaper. We play our round then always have a pint in the clubhouse, Then go over the road and have 10 more. I voiced my concern, and had random people i'd never met came up to me around the club to say they disagreed with me, no one used the pub over the road. And I should've gone through the proper channels and that it wasn't the way the club worked etc.... These members, are exactly the same as me, but they want to feel more important. Thankfully the owner agreed and dropped the prices.

Who mentioned cliques and what do they have to do with running the club? All members are equal and have an equal voice. Yes in my place there are a couple of what you might call cliques but they have no standing or greater say as a group in the running of the club - none whatsoever.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Obviously we have a differing of opinion. But the fact that a paying member has no voice on what goes on, because he isn't part of a particular clique is ridiculous.

I'm in the same boat, I play with my old schoolmates on a weekend, then my regular members on wednesday. None of them care about their hierarchy in the club, none of them care what position the person has they are talking too. We are just a friendly bunch that enjoy playing golf. I know who my the "powerful people" are in my club now i've been there a year. But I don't seek them out to socialise with them. Why in your opinion should we have no say?

We suggested the bar prices be dropped as the pub across the road (which is much nicer) had been refurbished and was much cheaper. We play our round then always have a pint in the clubhouse, Then go over the road and have 10 more. I voiced my concern, and had random people i'd never met came up to me around the club to say they disagreed with me, no one used the pub over the road. And I should've gone through the proper channels and that it wasn't the way the club worked etc.... These members, are exactly the same as me, but they want to feel more important. Thankfully the owner agreed and dropped the prices.

Quite - I guess I am coming to all fo this from the perspective of members clubs. From what some say about clubs owned by a proprietor I'm rather glad I'm a member of a members club.

 

[Smiffy]

It's listed because everyone seems to list their WITB in their signature, sorry if it offends you

Doesn't offend me in the slightest mate