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FA Cup Final

sawtooth said:
Yep the 3 clubs that happen to have extreme wealth, willing to spend as much as it takes to sign the worlds best players.

And most of the players that have left Arsenal have left because they cant win a trophy at Arsenal? Are you really that naïve? They left for more money period. (Fabregas and Henry notable exceptions).

If Arsenal had spent as much as the big 3 they would have kept Nasri, Van Persie, Clichy, Cole, Flamini, Adebayor, etc etc. We could have also added players like Hazard and Dzeko. But no they had their heads turned by money and as a result , Wengers teams were weaker and the rival super rich teams grew stronger.

Despite the obvious gap in financial power compared to the other 3 teams , Wenger's Arsenal teams have always been competitive and play attractive football to boot. He hasn't done that all that bad all things considered.

Hopefully FFP will help level the playing field for Arsenal and the likes of Liverpool, Everton, Spurs,....
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I'd agree with a lot of that, but also think that some have left for a bigger chance of medals also.

If Arsenal/Wenger do get the chequebbok out and start winning leagues or even a CL, the last few years will be seen as a good launch pad by stabilising the finances and paying off a lot of the stadium debt.

If they dont, I think they did miss out on a few chances to push on by buying the players required to get them up amongst City/United/Chelsea. They weren't far away but due to lack of investment, and buying a few more defensive minded players, or forwards this season, was why they didn't ultimately win in the last 2-3 seasons.

The big shame is it seems that they have had spare money over the last year or so, and they should have bought a forward in August or January.

Congratulations on the win, I wanted the northern underdog to win, but fair play coming back from 2 goals down is always good. Very entertaining.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
What does Liverpool have to do with anything ?
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Apparently quite a bit!

Liverpoolphil said:
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Agin it doesnt take away from the fact in ten years Arsenal have had no serious title challenges and have won one FA Cup and people are calling Wenger a genuis ? I havent called him a failure or anything like that but i would expect a lot more from a genius and certainly would expect more if paying as much as Arsenal fans have.
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How much has Liverpool won in the last 7 years? 1 League Cup?

How much Champions League? None in the last 4 years!

Bit rich really!

I wouldn't call Wenger a genius, but the fact that Maureen snipes at him so often means, to me, he considers him a serious rival! He certainly manages well so the club/business works financially!
 
Foxholer said:
Apparently quite a bit!



How much has Liverpool won in the last 7 years? 1 League Cup?

How much Champions League? None in the last 4 years!

Bit rich really!

I wouldn't call Wenger a genius, but the fact that Maureen snipes at him so often means, to me, he considers him a serious rival! He certainly manages well so the club/business works financially!
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Only when people bring them into the equation because it appears people cant talk football on here without bringing Liverpool into it - surprised Suarez hasnt been mentioned yet.

Again what does what Liverpool have won in the last 7 years ( why have you narrowed it down to 7 when i mentioned 10 years ) ? Have to do with Wenger ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Only when people bring them into the equation because it appears people cant talk football on here without bringing Liverpool into it - surprised Suarez hasnt been mentioned yet.

Again what does what Liverpool have won in the last 7 years ( why have you narrowed it down to 7 when i mentioned 10 years ) ? Have to do with Wenger ?
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Yep. I'd be happy to have all mention of LFC banned! :D

Btw It's 2 FA cups (2005 also).

If going back 13 years (starting Beg of Season 2001/2) would have added 2 more FA cups and 2 Premier League titles - including the 'unbeaten' one! I guess that's why you restricted it to 10 years (Start of 2004/5 season). Coincidentally the year after Emirates stadium was started. I'm as certain as I can be that that has restricted the net spend since.

So taking out the Big 3 - the 2 toy clubs and Man U, comparison with the 'competitors' - Liverpool, Spurs, Everton - is pretty reasonable imo!
 
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Foxholer said:
Yep. I'd be happy to have all mention of LFC banned! :D

Btw It's 2 FA cups (2005 also).

If going back 13 years (starting Beg of Season 2001/2) would have added 2 more FA cups and 2 Premier League titles - including the 'unbeaten' one! I guess that's why you restricted it to 10 years (Start of 2004/5 season). Coincidentally the year after Emirates stadium was started. I'm as certain as I can be that that has restricted the net spend since.
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It was ten years because thats the gap since Arsenal last won the title with the invincibles and been ten seasons or is it 9 since their last trophy. Thats the reason why that timeline was mentioned.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
It was ten years because thats the gap since Arsenal last won the title with the invincibles and been ten seasons or is it 9 since their last trophy. Thats the reason why that timeline was mentioned.
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And to go back to the last season a certain 'unmentionable' team won the League (not KO comps as you don't consider them indicative!) would require going back 24 years. In that time, Arsenal has won the Premier League 4 times!

I believe it's only their Financial Prudence from the huge capital investment of the Emirates Stadium that's causing the issues and he is 'managing' well within the constraints. Had they had an active Sugar Daddy, that would have all been paid for by now and, if not, would have been discounted for FFP consideration.
 
Foxholer said:
And to go back to the last season a certain 'unmentionable' team won the League (not KO comps as you don't consider them indicative!) would require going back 24 years. In that time, Arsenal has won the Premier League 4 times!

I believe it's only their Financial Prudence from the huge capital investment of the Emirates Stadium that's causing the issues and he is 'managing' well within the constraints. Had they had an active Sugar Daddy, that would have all been paid for by now and, if not, would have been discounted for FFP consideration.
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Arsenal have still managed to fork out £150mil over the last three seasons ? Spent over£30mil on just one player last summer. Been told in the press that there has always been money available to him but appears unwilling to spend it especially on marquee players. The Mancs also havent had an active sugar daddy as been stated.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
It was ten years because thats the gap since Arsenal last won the title with the invincibles and been ten seasons or is it 9 since their last trophy. Thats the reason why that timeline was mentioned.
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more to the point when assessing Wenger and his so called "genius" why are you only using 10 years, he has been arsenal manager for 18 years, or does the whole record not fit the point you are trying to make?
 
fundy said:
more to the point when assessing Wenger and his so called "genius" why are you only using 10 years, he has been arsenal manager for 18 years, or does the whole record not fit the point you are trying to make?
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The point im making that since the invicibles all left - Adams , Veira etc his team on the pitch hasnt moved forward in the past decade.

yes he did some great stuff in his first 8 years - no doubt about that, thats never in question.

Its a long time to not be challenging at the very least for major honours.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Arsenal have still managed to fork out £150mil over the last three seasons ? Spent over£30mil on just one player last summer. Been told in the press that there has always been money available to him but appears unwilling to spend it especially on marquee players....
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That's self contradictory!

And it's the net spend that's important - at least to Arsenal. You seem to have the figures. What was Arsenal's net spend/profit from transfers in/out in that period? I'm pretty sure they'd have made a profit in that period - even after amortization.
 
Foxholer said:
That's self contradictory!

And it's the net spend that's important - at least to Arsenal. You seem to have the figures. What was Arsenal's net spend/profit from transfers in/out in that period? I'm pretty sure they'd have made a profit in that period - even after amortization.
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£23mil net spend in the last three years

Yep as a business looking to make a profit they do very well - as a football team ? Well thats all down to your expectations.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
£23mil net spend in the last three years

Yep as a business looking to make a profit they do very well - as a football team ? Well thats all down to your expectations.
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Er: Where did you get those figures? I just found some that indicate a £13M profit!

So are you saying you expect the Football Club to overspend - make a loss - just so you can enjoy supporting them?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/arsenal-transfers.html

Last three seasons - £23mil net spend

I expect the football club I support to look after the team on the field instead of looking to make profits.
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I've gone off the Annual Reports. 1 year adrift, but shows all values and more accurate - no incentives/extras etc, included.

Wenger's statement in the link above is pretty reasonable! A club has to make a profit to survive! Otherwise it's just a toy for its owner! And FFP should counter, if not quash, both the toy and the unsustainable losses issues!

To take a club known to both of us, how long do you expect losses of 40-50 million to be sustainable?
 
Since Arsenal last won the League Chelsea & City have become much stronger so obviously it's going to be harder to win it. If you look at the likes of Spurs & Liverpool I don't think Arsene is doing a bad job.
I can see UTD being back in contention next season,not playing in Europe is massive when contending for the league.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
We were sat right behind the St Johnstone banner - great seat - great day - I'm still birlin' my scarf :whoo:
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We were in the lower half of the Jock Stein stand in row DD :o. Was a great day to be a saints fan and loved every minute of the day, got back to Perth and the whole town was jumping.

We finally got our hands on the worlds oldest domestic trophy and deserved every bit of it. COYS. :clap::clap:
 
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