FA Cup Final Liverpool v Chelsea

anotherdouble said:
And need I say more. Finishing second in prem. That equates to 1st loser in my book. Cant take away champ league win though, maybe this year for my team. Bring back the king was the cry. Where has it got you other than to re live the past when Kenny was at the top. Spurs were the same when they called for the return of Hoddle. The geordies all wanted Shearer back albiet for 9 games with no success.

I am all for one for remembering the past but dont cling to it. Move on.
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It's easy to say that when you have someone who has invested £500 mill, is still willing to put in more over the next few seasons, and will buy you a new ground potentially. You can keep knocking on the door with this backing.

If you dont get champs league this year, Roman can give the new manager £200 mill, and you can go again.

Its a bit easier to do with that level of backing.
 
jpenno said:
Liverbird - with a bit more notice I would have had a round this afternoon.
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Asked 10 peeps today, all out with the kids, doing diy etc.

I'll have to change my deoderant........

Wouldn't mind but playing with 3 tomorrow, and it's due to pee it down.

No probs, maybe another time.
 
LB I'm not trying to rewrite history, I'm merely stating that Dalglish was at a club that was performing well with a set structure and style of play that had an aura about them and were the club most players wanted to play for. That made Dalglish's signings easier as the transfer market was smaller and he had no real competition for signing them. It also made it easier for his signings to slot into the team. As I've said before it doesn't make him a bad manager but the pedestal some Liverpool fans place him on is undeserved.
 
Liverbirdie said:
It's easy to say that when you have someone who has invested £500 mill,
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You may well be right and then again its easy to say that when you have nobody to really invest and a little green eyed. I could also be presumptious and there is no jelousy. But will all of Liverpools history why have none of these money men stepped in and invested. Again I could be wrong but me thinks it is not the Liverpool way, have never needed it in the past so dont need it now and only real liverpool people can help. If I am right that attitude has hindered rather than helped and you have fallen way behind to a mid table team. It looks like Everton with zero investment or spending power could finisher higher.
 
Another half hearted performance from our boys yesterday and although the manager has to shoulder the blame for team selection and tactics the players need to stand up and be counted because there has been too many unacceptable performances this season.

Sacking the manager isn't an option for me but we must improve next season no doubt about it.
 
Although I'm a Fulham fan, this isn't a dig. However if the likes of a small club like ours can be above Liverpool over the course of a whole season it has to set alarm bells ringing surely and for it to register that somewhere it isn't working. Whether that is the quality of the 1st team squad, the management or the way the place is run I don't know but the longer it goes on without something changing then the more mid table anonimity is going to be the Liverpool position. You might get a cup run or two and you might even progress in the Europa League (it is hard work and demanding on any squad so could be a double edged sword) but is that going to be enough for Liverpool fans.

I like Liverpool. I was ther at Anfield for the League Cup nightmare and I gre up watching the likes of Hughes, Clemence, Keegan, followed by Rush, Dalgleish etc and there seemed to be a never ending production line in those days so I'm not having a pop at Liverpool. I'm sad as a football fan to see a club with such tradition struggle if I'm honest
 
anotherdouble said:
You may well be right and then again its easy to say that when you have nobody to really invest and a little green eyed. I could also be presumptious and there is no jelousy. But will all of Liverpools history why have none of these money men stepped in and invested. Again I could be wrong but me thinks it is not the Liverpool way, have never needed it in the past so dont need it now and only real liverpool people can help. If I am right that attitude has hindered rather than helped and you have fallen way behind to a mid table team. It looks like Everton with zero investment or spending power could finisher higher.
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To be honest I wouldn't like LFC to get back to the top by a sugar daddy who outspends the rest by a factor of 3-4 to one. Someone who matched City/Chelsea I could maybe accept!! To be fair to Man u and Arsenal they have tried to compete without spending massively (although Man U were genereally always the biggest spenders for years, but not on the same scale).

I think everyone would like to see someone become successful, but on a shoestring, but the days of a Notts Forest winning a div 2, then a div 1, then the European cup are long gone (unless someone invests 800 million in a team).

Lets face it Abramovich nearly picked Spurs, this is when sport becomes a lottery (in more ways than one). Money now rules, in the main, which is making more arl-arses like me becoming more and more disillusioned. Biggest spenders/wage bills normally are in the same league position as where they are in comparison (Everton/Liverpool being one of the anomalies) to others around them.

BTW yes all of Dalglish's first reign was out of Europe.
 
Tiger said:
LB I'm not trying to rewrite history, I'm merely stating that Dalglish was at a club that was performing well with a set structure and style of play that had an aura about them and were the club most players wanted to play for. That made Dalglish's signings easier as the transfer market was smaller and he had no real competition for signing them. It also made it easier for his signings to slot into the team. As I've said before it doesn't make him a bad manager but the pedestal some Liverpool fans place him on is undeserved.
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OK, but to say it was mainly down to managers from 12 years before (Shankly) is daft. See my Man U analogy.

I think people are seeing me on here (and other LFC fans) as dedending everything Kenny does, and accepting the current mediocrity. We aren't happy about it believe me, and there is a growing call for change.

We have various breaking points(some have already reached it) and some of my match going mates didn't want Kenny back in the first place, but generally Liverpool match going fans are uncomfortable calling for the managers head, at least at the match. Hodgson aside. I am currently going either way - the main thing is though, that I dont want just anyone in. If Mourinho/Guardiola/Van Gaal or someone of that ilk fancies the job - maybe time to go. If not may give him one more season.
 
Slime said:
With some of the transfer fees he's paid for some of those players he's bought, Dalglish should be sacked for gross mis-conduct.
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Damien Commoli was in charge of all of those transfer dealings FACT, hence he's been sacked for this.

Dalglish wanted them players but was in no way involved in how much we paid for them, regardless of how much you spend certain players need time to settle and I'm prepared to write this season off.

We can all give opinions on whose good enough and who isn't but we're all football managers and scouts when it comes to giving opinions on players.
 
Liverbirdie said:
I think people are seeing me on here (and other LFC fans) as dedending everything Kenny does, and accepting the current mediocrity. We aren't happy about it believe me, and there is a growing call for change.
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It is not just current mediocrity though. Since season 92 to season 11 your liverpool are 3rd in NET transfer spending with the obvious 2 above you. That makes liverpool above Man utd and nearly everybody above Arsenal. Over the course of those years has your success measured up to the spending. Roman took Chelsea out of obsecurity and the same is happening to Man City. If Liverpool are not careful they are heading for that area that whilst you were successful Chelsea and Man City were in.
 
Stuart_C said:
Another half hearted performance from our boys yesterday and although the manager has to shoulder the blame for team selection and tactics the players need to stand up and be counted because there has been too many unacceptable performances this season.

Sacking the manager isn't an option for me but we must improve next season no doubt about it.
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anotherdouble said:
It is not just current mediocrity though. Since season 92 to season 11 your liverpool are 3rd in NET transfer spending with the obvious 2 above you. That makes liverpool above Man utd and nearly everybody above Arsenal. Over the course of those years has your success measured up to the spending. Roman took Chelsea out of obsecurity and the same is happening to Man City. If Liverpool are not careful they are heading for that area that whilst you were successful Chelsea and Man City were in.
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Football was invented before 1992 you know.
 
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