FA Cup Final Liverpool v Chelsea

My uncle is a UTD fan unfortunately and he is praying that Kenny does not get booted in the summer he is even hoping they extend his contract. That says it all really about how poorly he is thought of.
 
Slept through a lot of it so can't comment fully. I thought Spearing looked out of his depth and that Liverpool seemed to be changing positions every five minutes in the forst half with no-one seemingly knowing where to play and their role. They did do better after going 2-0 down (missed the 2nd) but too little too late.

I am wondering whether Dalgleish is the man. A cup win and a final is all well and good but a side of Liverpools heritage need to be competing for a top four place and CL football and not scrambling to make do with the Europa league which is looking doubtful now. From what I've seen on TV recently Liverpool really don't look a good side and are three or four (minimum) top players short. When you bear in mind how many of the top clubs fielded a lot of reserves and breakthrough players for the Carling Cup, certainly until the semi final was it really such a prestigious win.
 
Homer - Europa League was guaranteed with the carling Cup win which has been part of the problem, after january 4th place was gone and then the Europa league place was secured in february, nothing to play for in the league and a few players know this is their last season so wont amke an effort unless its the cup with a chance of a medal.

Kenny is NOT the man to take us forward, i would have Rafa back tonight, or anyone else who has a bit of technical nouse and plays players in their best position!
 
jpenno said:
Kenny is NOT the man to take us forward, i would have Rafa back tonight, or anyone else who has a bit of technical nouse and plays players in their best position!
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I distinctly remember Liverpool fans getting fed up with Benitez's style of football and failure to compete in the league. Bring back Kenny they said as they harangued Hodgson, bring back the King for he will save us. Hindsight's a wonderful thing isn't it. :o
 
Tiger said:
I distinctly remember Liverpool fans getting fed up with Benitez's style of football and failure to compete in the league. Bring back Kenny they said as they harangued Hodgson, bring back the King for he will save us. Hindsight's a wonderful thing isn't it. :o
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Trouble for Kenny is, the Liverpool team he has now is nowhere near the standard it was when Rafa was at the helm.
 
Sir Slicealot said:
Trouble for Kenny is, the Liverpool team he has now is nowhere near the standard it was when Rafa was at the helm.
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The trouble for Kenny is that the transfer market has changed. When he was in his pomp at Liverpool the transfer market was not global. English clubs predominantly bought UK & Irish players. Transfer fees weren't inflated and Liverpool dominated the transfer market much like City do today.

I cannot buy the argument that the squad isn't as good as Benitez's. Yes Gerrard's star has waned, and for my money he should redefine himself as a defensive midfielder, but how much has he spent on Suarez, Carroll, Henderson, Adam, Downing, Enrique etc... Enrique was a top performer at Newcastle as was Carroll, Dalglish has broken them both.

People talk about Dalglish's success at Liverpool in his first stint. That's nonsense. He was a great player but as a manager he inherited the work of Paisley and Shankly. They are the real managerial legends. If it was me I'd build the team around Carroll and play a 4-4-1-1 formation. I'd play Suarez off Carroll and invest in wingers who can actually beat a man and get a cross in. Dyer and Sinclair at Swansea would be on my transfer list. Get it wide and cross early or play it to Carroll to lay off to Suarez.

While teams are fretting about the width and the long ball, Suarez will have a whole load of space to exploit. But then again I'm not that fussed as I'm not a Liverpool fan...if I was I'd be spewing!
 
Tiger said:
People talk about Dalglish's success at Liverpool in his first stint. That's nonsense. He was a great player but as a manager he inherited the work of Paisley and Shankly. .
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There was a couple of seasons gap between Dalglish and Paisley, but yes i do agree, there was a fair amount of inherited work. That said, if he was incompetant as a manager, the sucess would have dropped off fairly quickly and not carried on for 6 seasons. Add to that what he did at Blackburn, 2nd division play off winners in 1992 to Premier league champions 3 years later. Sure, it helped that Jack Walker pumped loads of money into the club, but thats no different from Man Utd, City or Chelsea. I think its worth pointing out that Ferguson took over 3 years to win anything with United, although i will agree that football is a different animal these days.
 
Sir Slicealot said:
There was a couple of seasons gap between Dalglish and Paisley, but yes i do agree, there was a fair amount of inherited work. That said, if he was incompetant as a manager, the sucess would have dropped off fairly quickly and not carried on for 6 seasons. Add to that what he did at Blackburn, 2nd division play off winners in 1992 to Premier league champions 3 years later. Sure, it helped that Jack Walker pumped loads of money into the club, but thats no different from Man Utd, City or Chelsea. I think its worth pointing out that Ferguson took over 3 years to win anything with United, although i will agree that football is a different animal these days.
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A great manager can reinvigorate a team. Ferguson has done it at least three times at Utd. Once the backbone of his Liverpool team retired it was all over for Kenny. At Blackburn he spent fortunes but couldn't sustain the success. I'm not saying he's a bad manager, I just don't think he's as great as some Liverpool fans like to think he is.
 
Add to that his catastrophic failure at Celtic and Newcastle and his current spell at Liverpool!! Allright he won the league at Blackburn after spending stupid amounts of money at the time but what happened the season after they won the league he scuttled off out of the way upstairs and left Ray Harford with the job and they nearly got relegated. He did the same at Liverpool as well cleared off out of the way when it looked like they were on the way down from the top, I know the Hillsborough affair did effect him but still he jumped ship when it looked like going pear shaped. Very poor manager IMO if he was not such an LFC legend as a player he would have been shown the door long ago
 
"People talk about Dalglish's success at Liverpool in his first stint. That's nonsense. He was a great player but as a manager he inherited the work of Paisley and Shankly."

Thats just like saying that Fergie inherited the work of Matt Busby.

Joe Fagan had 2 years after Paisley, and by the time of 1987 there were very few players left from Paisley's time and none left from Shankly's side. Where do you get that from. He also left us top of the league, albeit with a slightly aging squad, 80% was Souness's fault.

Obviously disappointed with yesterday's result. Why are so many managers more interested in the finishing team than the starting team nowadays - us yesterday, Fergie midweek. I felt if we would have got the equaliser we would have gone on to win it. I'm not 100% convinced it was over the line, but probably was.

Time for a long hard look at lots of things in the club. Big pre-season for my club. Too many passengers.

Thanks for the comments Naybrains.

Anyway, looking for a game later today now, billy no mates today, 7 regular mates all busy :(
 
Watched it in the pub after watching my team win the last game of the season. (Playoffs to follow.....again!!!)
Have to say Carroll looked quite impressive yesterday, shame the dubious goal was not given, looked over to me!
It's about time the refs got harsher with the blatant cheating in the Premier League. Drogba? What a cheating, diving low life he is! If that's what Premier League football is all about, thank God we're vying for the Championship!

UTT!!!
 
Liverbirdie I'm sorry but that's nonsense. Grobbelaar, Hansen, Nicol, Whelan, Rush is the backbone around which Dalglish built. Not to mention that Joe Fagan had brought through Gary Gillespie and signed John Wark and Jan Molby. What Dalglish inherited was not only a squad but a team feared across Europe and England. No manager wanted to face Liverpool and every player wanted to play for them.

I'm impartial and I can see it clear as day. Dalglish hasn't proven himself to be a great Manager, Paisley and Shankly on the other hand did. I think you need to take off the rose tinted glasses. ;)
 
Stick with him if you like but the gap is getting wider and wider. Man City,Utd and Chelsea will all spend big in the summer I reckon not sure if LFC can compete especially after all the money Kenny has squanded on poor players. LFC are as far away now from winning the Prem than they have been since the Souness era and it is only going to get worse with Kenny in charge as he is inept in nearly all departments.
 
Tiger said:
Dalglish hasn't proven himself to be a great Manager, Paisley and Shankly on the other hand did. I think you need to take off the rose tinted glasses. ;)
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Every Liverpool supporter is presented with a pair at birth. I have never known any other teams supporters live in the past as much as these lot. When will they admit they are crap and have been for more than a decade.
 
Why is it nonsense, you did not mention Fagan? The best Dalglish team had Aldridge, Beardsley, Barnes, Houghton, McMahon, Nicol (was still only just coming through under Fagan), Gillespie, Beglin and Ablett the same. This was not Paisley's side, maybe partially in 1986, but not by 1987.

Yes Shankly and Paisley built the club up,set the style of play, formations etc, but had little or no impact on personnel by then. Matt Busby had a European cup winning side, 6 years later they were in the 2nd division. How does that fit the discussion?

With every passing week I am becoming more disillusioned under Kenny, but dont try and re-write history.
 
anotherdouble said:
Every Liverpool supporter is presented with a pair at birth. I have never known any other teams supporters live in the past as much as these lot. When will they admit they are crap and have been for more than a decade.
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How many crap teams have won the Champions league in the last decade? - Or finished second in the premier league - in the last five years?

It is the last two seasons were they have fallen off the pace and in most games this season have outplayed teams but not finished them off. the problem with kenny is his signings have let him and the club down and he has no Plan B.
 
jpenno said:
How many crap teams have won the Champions league in the last decade? - Or finished second in the premier league - in the last five years?

It is the last two seasons were they have fallen off the pace and in most games this season have outplayed teams but not finished them off. the problem with kenny is his signings have let him and the club down and he has no Plan B.
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And need I say more. Finishing second in prem. That equates to 1st loser in my book. Cant take away champ league win though, maybe this year for my team. Bring back the king was the cry. Where has it got you other than to re live the past when Kenny was at the top. Spurs were the same when they called for the return of Hoddle. The geordies all wanted Shearer back albiet for 9 games with no success.

I am all for one for remembering the past but dont cling to it. Move on.
 
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