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[MegaSteve]

If you want drama, and excellent racing, look at all the MotoGP races that have taken place since they re-started. Knocks F1 into a cocked hat!

Until as such a time MM returns...

Some great racing from both BSB & WSB this week end...

Love motorsport... Two and four wheeled... Most recent Speedway GP featured some top drawer racing... Shame Woofie couldn't quite take the final to top the night...

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Until as such a time MM returns...

Some great racing from both BSB & WSB this week end...

Love motorsport... Two and four wheeled... Most recent Speedway GP featured some top drawer racing... Shame Woofie couldn't quite take the final to top the night...

I share your love of most forms of both two and four wheels sport.

But I would have to draw the line at Speedway. Have been to the old style World Final and regular at Perry Barr back in the seventies (wife was keen!) but I am afraid the first out of the gate wins didn't do it for me.

 

[robinthehood]

Well, if you consider speeds of 200mph on two wheels slow...... And speed isn't everything. Try watching a Moto 3 race sometime. 250cc and brilliant racing.
True, they do crash but there are crashes in most form of motor sport. It happens when people drive/ride on the edge. However, they also RACE against each other with lots more overtaking, close action and not reliant on pit-stops or red flags and safety cars to overtake.

I've no interest in bikes in any form, an F1 car could give a moto GP a 30 second head start on most tracks and still beat them hands down.
But even more to the point, why does every F1 thread end up with some biker telling us how great Moto GP is and is so much better than F1?

I really dont care, go and start a motorbike thread.

 

[Robster59]

I've no interest in bikes in any form, an F1 car could give a moto GP a 30 second head start on most tracks and still beat them hands down.
But even more to the point, why does every F1 thread end up with some biker telling us how great Moto GP is and is so much better than F1?

I really dont care, go and start a motorbike thread.

Actually, retired biker, but I have friends who don't and have never rode a bike and stay the same. As does my partner. She has no interest in F1 but loves MotoGP. No harm in making a comparison.
I used to enjoy F1 but nowadays it's just too processional and reliant on outside forces to make it interesting.
And the thread is about how exciting the racing was, not how fast the cars are. Maybe they could go around a track 30 seconds faster, but I know which is the more interesting to watch.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I've no interest in bikes in any form, an F1 car could give a moto GP a 30 second head start on most tracks and still beat them hands down.
But even more to the point, why does every F1 thread end up with some biker telling us how great Moto GP is and is so much better than F1?

I really dont care, go and start a motorbike thread.

As far as I can see there has been no claim as to which is better, only which has the closer more exciting racing.

There's no dispute that the lap times are quicker in F1 although the straight line speed isn't.

The technology is greater in F1.

But races are rarely if ever close, on some tracks overtaking is virtually impossible and results are often predictable.

 

[robinthehood]

As far as I can see there has been no claim as to which is better, only which has the closer more exciting racing.

There's no dispute that the lap times are quicker in F1 although the straight line speed isn't.

The technology is greater in F1.

But races are rarely if ever close, on some tracks overtaking is virtually impossible and results are often predictable.

?? And Marc Márquez winning every week isn't predictable?
Let's not pretend MotoGP isn't dominated by a select few drivers.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

?? And Marc Márquez winning every week isn't predictable?
Let's not pretend MotoGP isn't dominated by a select few drivers.

Not this year?

And the riders are generally more closely bunched.

Unfortunately most forms of motorsport are likely to be heavily influenced by budget.

 

[DanFST]

Bring back prime BTCC.

 

[robinthehood]

Not this year?

And the riders are generally more closely bunched.

Unfortunately most forms of motorsport are likely to be heavily influenced by budget.

Mercedes spent over 300mil last year! thats a lot of dosh..
Im looking forward to the new regs and see if closes the bunch up, but there are still plenty of exciting races to be had as well.
Red flags, safety cars etc are all part and parcel of what makes an F1 weekend and always will be.

 

[robinthehood]

Bring back prime BTCC.

Its live on ITV these days....

 

[ger147]

There was no reason to close the pit lane, big error by the FIA

The broken down car was broken down in the pit lane entrance with stewards on the track pushing the car out of the way, hence the pit lane being closed.

 

[bobmac]

Err no.
When Hamilton went past, nobody was on the track doing anything. They were obviously waiting for instructions.
I don't know why they didn't just push the car back 12 feet behind the barrier



Even DC in the commentary said there was no reason for the safety car

 

[ger147]

Err no.
When Hamilton went past, nobody was on the track doing anything. They were obviously waiting for instructions.
I don't know why they didn't just push the car back 12 feet behind the barrier

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Even DC in the commentary said there was no reason for the safety car

Err yes...

You can clearly see marshalls out from behind the barrier only feet from the edge of the track that makes up the pit lane entrance next to the stricken car as Hamilton drives past. Open and shut case.

 

[bobmac]

The broken down car was broken down in the pit lane entrance with stewards on the track pushing the car out of the way, hence the pit lane being closed.

Err yes...

You can clearly see marshalls out from behind the barrier only feet from the edge of the track that makes up the pit lane entrance next to the stricken car as Hamilton drives past. Open and shut case.

They were indeed feet from the track but still behind the barrier as the on-board clearly shows
So not on the track pushing the car out of the way as the car was still on the grass.


I know they did eventually push the car down the pit lane but that was after Hamilton went past. At that point there was no danger and no need for the safety car as DC confirmed on the CH4 coverage.

 

[ger147]

They were indeed feet from the track but still behind the barrier as the on-board clearly shows
So not on the track pushing the car out of the way as the car was still on the grass.

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I know they did eventually push the car down the pit lane but that was after Hamilton went past. At that point there was no danger and no need for the safety car as DC confirmed on the CH4 coverage.

DC is not the race steward, he's just giving his opinion.

The marshalls were out from behind the barriers on the edge of the track next to the stricken car (as the photo you posted clearly shows), the race steward decided it was dangerous, called a safety car and closed the pit lane. All this took place BEFORE Hamilton arrived, hence the penalty.

As I said above, open and shut case.

 

[bobmac]

The marshalls were out from behind the barriers on the edge of the track next to the stricken car (as the photo you posted clearly shows),

I don't know how you see that from the photo, I see them behind the barrier, no-where near the car, but whatever.

 

[robinthehood]

I don't know how you see that from the photo, I see them behind the barrier, no-where near the car, but whatever.

The pit lane was closed 12 seconds before Hamilton arrived.. You make it sound like it was split second stuff.

 

[CliveW]

It doesn't matter where the car or marshalls were. The pit lane was closed, Hamilton was wrong. End of!

 

[ger147]

I don't know how you see that from the photo, I see them behind the barrier, no-where near the car, but whatever.

The first photo you posted clearly shows the marshalls on the grass right at the edge of the track next to the stricken car, not behind a barrier.

 

[bobmac]

It doesn't matter where the car or marshalls were. The pit lane was closed, Hamilton was wrong. End of!

Totally agree.
I just think the decision to close the pit lane and deploy the SC was wrong and the car should have been pushed back. Or even better, KM should have free wheeled into the pits.