EVEL - Not Worthy of Full Debate!

Doon frae Troon said:
I'll make it simple for you.
He or she would not be able to speak on English only matters
Click to expand...

Yes they would.

I'd suggest you actually find out a bit more on the actual subject matter, other than what you glean from your usual wings over Scotland source.
It's blatantly obvious you have no idea as to the facts but would rather spout ill conceived and contrived claptrap, passed off as facts (until challenged, whereupon you disappear after a bit of floundering around for an out).

Move on from the nationalists propaganda and see if you can absorb some factual information for a change.
 
c1973 said:
Yes they would.

I'd suggest you actually find out a bit more on the actual subject matter, other than what you glean from your usual wings over Scotland source.
It's blatantly obvious you have no idea as to the facts but would rather spout ill conceived and contrived claptrap, passed off as facts (until challenged, whereupon you disappear after a bit of floundering around for an out).

Move on from the nationalists propaganda and see if you can absorb some factual information for a change.
Click to expand...

It's funny when I pop in on Wings over Scotland now and again it's like an echo from Doon's posts on here!!
 
NWJocko said:
Only if they are an MP for a non-English constituency
Click to expand...

So if Gordon Brown was still PM he wouldn't have a vote because his constituency was Kirkcaldy & Cowdenbeath but if it was Luton, and even though he was Scottish, he then could vote?
 
Fish said:
So if Gordon Brown was still PM he wouldn't have a vote because his constituency was Kirkcaldy & Cowdenbeath but if it was Luton, and even though he was Scottish, he then could vote?
Click to expand...

Think that sums it up :thup:
 
Doon, you'd get more credibility if you backed up your suggestions or even just said that you suggestions were your opinions but you don't and here lies everyone's beef with you.

Help yourself man
 
Fish said:
So if Gordon Brown was still PM he wouldn't have a vote because his constituency was Kirkcaldy & Cowdenbeath but if it was Luton, and even though he was Scottish, he then could vote?
Click to expand...

That's my understanding. Nationality has nowt to do with it.

Does anyone know how many times over the last, say, 2 years this would actually have been used!?
 
NWJocko said:
That's my understanding. Nationality has nowt to do with it.

Does anyone know how many times over the last, say, 2 years this would actually have been used!?
Click to expand...

The same question was asked by a caller into the radio

The MP couldn't remember one time over the last couple years
 
NWJocko said:
That's my understanding. Nationality has nowt to do with it.

Does anyone know how many times over the last, say, 2 years this would actually have been used!?
Click to expand...

Health and Education would be the biggies off the top of my head. So deffo not great if a PM finds himself on the outside looking in on the latest NHS or Education debate.
 
This Govt's entire platform consist of pandering to specific interest groups, in this case little Englanders and those who have always mistrusted the Scots. The NHS reforms are pandering to private healthcare companies posted to swoop in in due course and the Europe thing is pandering to anti-European sentiment on the right.
 
ger147 said:
Health and Education would be the biggies off the top of my head. So deffo not great if a PM finds himself on the outside looking in on the latest NHS or Education debate.
Click to expand...

The PM would still be able to be part of the discussion with his PM hat on

Maybe the PM would have two votes - one for the PM hat and one for the MP hat ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
The PM would still be able to be part of the discussion with his PM hat on

Maybe the PM would have two votes - one for the PM hat and one for the MP hat ?
Click to expand...

Just my opinion but I think it drives a cart & horses through all sorts of current precedents in Westminster e.g. the notion of collective responsibility, you can't hold the cabinet responsible for a policy they as a government don't support but has been forced on them by the English MP's. The same story at PMQ's, how can you hold the PM to account for his policies when some of them aren't his and he didn't vote to implement them? You effectively give the UK PM the same out that the SNP are criticised for in Scotland i.e. not my fault as I don't have the final say.

I am in favour of matters only affecting the English electorate to be decided in England but I can't envisage anything other than this approach ending up a complete disaster.
 
ger147 said:
Just my opinion but I think it drives a cart & horses through all sorts of current precedents in Westminster e.g. the notion of collective responsibility, you can't hold the cabinet responsible for a policy they as a government don't support but has been forced on them by the English MP's. The same story at PMQ's, how can you hold the PM to account for his policies when some of them aren't his and he didn't vote to implement them? You effectively give the UK PM the same out that the SNP are criticised for in Scotland i.e. not my fault as I don't have the final say.

I am in favour of matters only affecting the English electorate to be decided in England but I can't envisage anything other than this approach ending up a complete disaster.
Click to expand...

I guess right now the finer details etc aren't known because being simple it looks no issue but reality - well that's a different thing as I expect it to be a total mess of procedure that hasn't been thought through in any way
 
Val said:
Support for the SNP is not support for independence, I said it prior to the GE and you agreed. I would argue that support for the SNP increased due to failure of Labour rather than what the Torries or the SNP themselves did. The SNP are the only alternative to Labour in Scotland, that does mean it is support for independence.
Click to expand...

The voice of commonsense, which Doon is ignoring again.

Doon frae Troon said:
Thank you Phil.
I have not responded as I am not able to see into the future.

Right then........everyone happy that from now on we will only have English PM's and top four cabinet post holders.
I'm not, but I seem to be alone.
Click to expand...

Didn't see you whinging and whining when Labour were in power with the top table made up of Scottish MP's.

As for another one of your comments about the sensible ones going over to the SNP. Its really sad when someone thinly suggests that those that don't support the SNP are idiots.

Appreciate its your opinion, but its so far out in left field it really doesn't do the Scottish argument any favours.
 
Ethan said:
This Govt's entire platform consist of pandering to specific interest groups, in this case little Englanders and those who have always mistrusted the Scots. The NHS reforms are pandering to private healthcare companies posted to swoop in in due course and the Europe thing is pandering to anti-European sentiment on the right.
Click to expand...
You mean the specific interest groups that elected them, otherwise known as the majority?
 
bluewolf said:
Do the majority want an independent England, a Privatised NHS and out of Europe? Or is this just what those with the loudest voices want?
Click to expand...
If you listen to the loudest voices, you would think that Scotland would vote for independence. Even the politicians thought they were going to. This issue is nothing to do with an independent England. The English are the only people in the Union who have not debated independence or their own Parliament. No loud voice there. Despite what the loony left tell you, the NHS is not being privatised. They used to say that about the Thatcher and Heath governments, but it's still here. As for Europe, well let's wait and see where the majority stands on that, but the Tories are favouring staying in, albeit with significant changes.
The loudest voice is heard at the ballot box. Scotland voted to remain in the Union. The UK elected a Conservative government. Like it or not, those are the facts.
 
Sweep said:
If you listen to the loudest voices, you would think that Scotland would vote for independence. Even the politicians thought they were going to. This issue is nothing to do with an independent England. The English are the only people in the Union who have not debated independence or their own Parliament. No loud voice there. Despite what the loony left tell you, the NHS is not being privatised. They used to say that about the Thatcher and Heath governments, but it's still here. As for Europe, well let's wait and see where the majority stands on that, but the Tories are favouring staying in, albeit with significant changes.The loudest voice is heard at the ballot box. Scotland voted to remain in the Union. The UK elected a Conservative government. Like it or not, those are the facts.
Click to expand...
I can't argue with the result of a national vote obviously, but I will respectfully disagree with you on the point regarding who our government (and previous governments) truly represent. They may make policy that occasionally suits, but they aren't making it for you or me.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top