EVEL - Not Worthy of Full Debate!

Clearly there is going to be cross over. To remove that you need independence and despite what many seem to have forgotten, the Scots voted No to that. No, remember. If you work on the view that all legislation has crossover then you would need to remove devolution, not popular methinks. The reality is you have to accept that certain pieces are about one country alone and whilst there may be a financial impact on others that is just how it works when you have 4 countries living together.

Pretty certain EVEL was in their manifesto although not able to 100% confirm it, didn't read it, didn't consider it a vote changer.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Clearly there is going to be cross over. To remove that you need independence and despite what many seem to have forgotten, the Scots voted No to that. No, remember. If you work on the view that all legislation has crossover then you would need to remove devolution, not popular methinks. The reality is you have to accept that certain pieces are about one country alone and whilst there may be a financial impact on others that is just how it works when you have 4 countries living together.

Pretty certain EVEL was in their manifesto although not able to 100% confirm it, didn't read it, didn't consider it a vote changer.
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The conservative manifesto included bringing in a veto for English MPs

EVEL: The manifesto promises English MPs a veto over matters that only affect England, and extend this policy to financial matters – including the possibility of an English income tax rate if the matter has been devolved elsewhere.
 
Sweep said:
I don't disagree, but I don't think you can blame the Conservatives for reacting to a current situation created by others. To do so would be to say that the English should be treated unfairly in an effort to keep the peace and the Union. As it's the English who mainly pay for the Union and the fact that our TV screens are filled on a nightly basis with Nicola Cranky and Dr Spock, spouting their anti Union diatribe, you can't really blame the Conservatives for the growth of bad feelings.
The Scots had a fair vote. The Scots themselves voted to stay in the Union. It's over. Before the vote, you only heard from the Nats. Since the vote we have only heard from the Nats. Maybe it's time for the silent, sensible majority of Scots to speak up again, otherwise bad feeling will continue to grow. It's human nature, if someone tells you they hate you for long enough, you tend to start hating them.
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I think you will find that the sensible majority of of Scots now want Independence:lol:
A few thousands more after yesterday.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I think you will find that the sensible majority of of Scots now want Independence:lol:
A few thousands more after yesterday.
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Oh FFS give it up.

Polls prove nothing, voting does and we've done that. Move on.....please!




And folk have a pop at Delc, and his threads get pulled for alleged repetitive nonsense!
 
c1973 said:
Oh FFS give it up.

Polls prove nothing, voting does and we've done that. Move on.....please!


And folk have a pop at Delc, and his threads get pulled for alleged repetitive nonsense!
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The polls still have support for Independence lagging behind in the polls, same as they were at the time of the actual vote itself, hence my previous I think not reply.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Agree or disagree - I don't think it helps the Unionist cause - despite conservative protestations to the contrary,
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This is the crux of the matter. The SNP will milk this shambles for all it's worth and, IMO, the union is less secure today as a consequence.

Not, I repeat, because of EVEL as a principle, but because of the shoddy "quick fix" the tories have tried to do with it.
 
FairwayDodger said:
This is the crux of the matter. The SNP will milk this shambles for all it's worth and, IMO, the union is less secure today as a consequence.

Not, I repeat, because of EVEL as a principle, but because of the shoddy "quick fix" the tories have tried to do with it.
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THis is how I see it also. A shoddy quick fix to appease and please a section of the English electorate that will create a mess.
 
ger147 said:
YouGov have been tracking it all year...

http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...rf1qtc9id/YG-trackers-Scottish-Referendum.pdfA

And your link has nothing to do with Independence, it shows support for the various parties in an election.
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My link shows support for the SNP. That would be the party that wishes Independence for Scotland.
Mind you there are some weird folk like me who support the SNP but would rather have devo max within a UK structure.

Also interesting from your You Gov poll was that Yes has increased it's support by 12 points and the No has lost 3 points from Jan 2014.

As the say momentum in politics is a strange thing.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
My link shows support for the SNP. That would be the party that wishes Independence for Scotland.
Mind you there are some weird folk like me who support the SNP but would rather have devo max within a UK structure.

Also interesting from your You Gov poll was that Yes has increased it's support by 12 points and the No has lost 3 points from Jan 2014.

As the say momentum in politics is a strange thing.
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The poll says nothing about independence.

Funny that you want devo max but when England want it we're wrong?
 
If we can't have a say or a vote on what goes n down south, then is it fair that we help pay for anything that comes out of it as a result? I.E. things that only affect England. Why should Wales, NI and Scotland pay for that? Works the other way around too. This is why it's all totally bonkers.
 
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