Europa Cup Final

[Liverbirdie]

In fairness, the two most likely to comment fairly and honestly on it are probably either still travelling back or sleeping.

It does seem somewhat dumb, even by UEFA's low standards, to put opposing fans in the same stand without segregation and then expect nothing to happen…….

At last, a balanced view, from someone who knows what he's on about.:thup:

 

[Liverbirdie]

Not sure how he'll improve (training/players, needs both imo) but I'd be quite encouraged as a Liverpool fan, IF he can get them playing consistently like they finding the first half last night. Haven't watched much of Klopps teams but was impressed in the first 45, Sevilla couldn't get out and we're constantly under pressure. Banega played about 40 yards further up the pitch in the second half as Liverpool tailed off.

Not sure if the early goal in the second half rattled them but agree they could do with some stronger personalities in the team to keep them "at it" in games like last night.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Liverpool top 4 next season (or at least challenging strongly) as they've no European games either.

Overall, very disappointed with our second half performance, compared to our first. We were very good in one half and woeful in the second.

2 genuine penalty shouts, and received none which could have made all the difference, but still should have controlled the game more. If Moreno and Mignolet are replaced next year, I will be hopeful that we can improve more.

Still happy with Klopp, and looking forward to next season, after him hopefully getting more of his own players in.

 

[NWJocko]

Overall, very disappointed with our second half performance, compared to our first. We were very good in one half and woeful in the second.

2 genuine penalty shouts, and received none which could have made all the difference, but still should have controlled the game more. If Moreno and Mignolet are replaced next year, I will be hopeful that we can improve more.

Still happy with Klopp, and looking forward to next season, after him hopefully getting more of his own players in.

I'd imagine you were quite happy/confident in the ground at halftime?

You boys have a couple of things going for you signings wise for next season IMO, one Klopp seems like a manager players want to play for and two, as you've no Europe, can maybe spend same amount of cash on fewer players.

If you can get a strong player to play with Can in midfield from there forward don't think you have too many worries. At the back you need quality like you say.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I'd imagine you were quite happy/confident in the ground at halftime?

You boys have a couple of things going for you signings wise for next season IMO, one Klopp seems like a manager players want to play for and two, as you've no Europe, can maybe spend same amount of cash on fewer players.

If you can get a strong player to play with Can in midfield from there forward don't think you have too many worries. At the back you need quality like you say.

Yes I was mate, although I missed their first goal, as was still queueing up for hamburger and chips.:thup:

Like everyone else, will be reasonably confident going into next season of improving.

1. Think the manager can be great for us.
2. His first real chance to have a full summer transfer window, and hopefully a decent transfer kitty.
3. No Europe - It did us no harm 2 years ago, Leicester last season, and think Klopp was still surprised/caught out by the number of games we can potentially play over here.
4. Hopefully, he will realise that we need a decent keeper and other defensive failings, which could see a big improvement in the number of goals we let in. This is a priority.
5. LVG still at OT, Leicester having to play CL.

Downsides:-

1. Less of a transfer kitty due to no European football.
2. Increased competition for good and available players, as not only will Chelsea, City, United spend as normal (or even bigger, due to poor seasons), but Spurs will also be in there......Arsenal possibly too, if Arsene remembers his chip and pin number.
3. He thinks that he can improve Mignolet and Moreno, and gets players in to challenge them, rather than replace them.
4. Pep, Conte at a surely improving Chelsea, Pochettino and CL entry (and associated money), Man U's transfer budget.

 

[sawtooth]

Not meant to be an excuse this ( maybe mitigating factor) but Arsenal do play quite a few games more being in the CL YoY. Not only the number of games but the travel, competitiveness of the games and closeness to PL fixtures hasn't helped us over the years.

Liverpool will be boosted next year due to not having Europe no doubt about it provided they can sign some decent players in Summer.

I also don't buy the fact that CL is a major pull for players. Money is paramount followed probably by location. CL is way down the pecking order IMHO.

 

[NWJocko]

Yes I was mate, although I missed their first goal, as was still queueing up for hamburger and chips.:thup:

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I hope they were more punctual with the Eggs Benedict for Stu_C at halftime......

Could be a good season next year, not sure how Leicester will do but Spurs, your lot, Utd, Chelsea, City and maybe West Ham will be strong/er than this time out.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Yes I was mate, although I missed their first goal, as was still queueing up for hamburger and chips.:thup:

Like everyone else, will be reasonably confident going into next season of improving.

1. Think the manager can be great for us.
2. His first real chance to have a full summer transfer window, and hopefully a decent transfer kitty.
3. No Europe - It did us no harm 2 years ago, Leicester last season, and think Klopp was still surprised/caught out by the number of games we can potentially play over here.
4. Hopefully, he will realise that we need a decent keeper and other defensive failings, which could see a big improvement in the number of goals we let in. This is a priority.
5. LVG still at OT, Leicester having to play CL.

Downsides:-

1. Less of a transfer kitty due to no European football.
2. Increased competition for good and available players, as not only will Chelsea, City, United spend as normal (or even bigger, due to poor seasons), but Spurs will also be in there......Arsenal possibly too, if Arsene remembers his chip and pin number.
3. He thinks that he can improve Mignolet and Moreno, and gets players in to challenge them, rather than replace them.
4. Pep, Conte at a surely improving Chelsea, Pochettino and CL entry (and associated money), Man U's transfer budget.

Yes mate, next year is your year :rofl:

 

[Pin-seeker]

Both clubs charged by UEFA for incidents involving their fans.

 

[Foxholer]

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I also don't buy the fact that CL is a major pull for players. Money is paramount followed probably by location. CL is way down the pecking order IMHO.

But playing at a club that is at least vie-ing for a CL spot is certainly an attraction (even just for the 'big stage' games) imo.

As a WH follower, I'm still refreshingly astounded about this year's PL success! It seems more likely that it's because of a similar 'team' attitude to Leicester's that Bilic et al have instilled! My expectations for next season are mid table, which is below this year's position. There's a couple of reasons for that... the likely resurgence of both Chelsea and Liverpool (surely neither can be as bad as they were this year!) and the fact that 'new ground syndrome' seems to have a negative effect, at least for a while, on every club that moves! Still exiting times though!

 

[sawtooth]

But playing at a club that is at least vie-ing for a CL spot is certainly an attraction (even just for the 'big stage' games) imo.

As a WH follower, I'm still refreshingly astounded about this year's PL success! It seems more likely that it's because of a similar 'team' attitude to Leicester's that Bilic et al have instilled! My expectations for next season are mid table, which is below this year's position. There's a couple of reasons for that... the likely resurgence of both Chelsea and Liverpool (surely neither can be as bad as they were this year!) and the fact that 'new ground syndrome' seems to have a negative effect, at least for a while, on every club that moves! Still exiting times though!

Yes agreed joining a club that is at least vying for a CL spot is an attraction and Liverpool will be next season.

My point is that Johnny Costalot would still sign for a top side even though they didn't have CL football that season. If the money is right then that's the most important thing.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Yes agreed joining a club that is at least vying for a CL spot is an attraction and Liverpool will be next season.

My point is that Johnny Costalot would still sign for a top side even though they didn't have CL football that season. If the money is right then that's the most important thing.

But if it's 2 Clubs trying to sign him for the same fee isn't it more likely he'll go for the one playing CL football.

 

[sawtooth]

But if it's 2 Clubs trying to sign him for the same fee isn't it more likely he'll go for the one playing CL football.

Yeah of course if package is the same then he'd be a fool not to chose the club with CL football, bound to be extra cash incentives linked to doing well in CL as well.

Actually it might mean that the club without CL football would have to pay quite a bit extra to get their man for that reason.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Yeah of course if package is the same then he'd be a fool not to chose the club with CL football, bound to be extra cash incentives linked to doing well in CL as well.

Actually it might mean that the club without CL football would have to pay quite a bit extra to get their man for that reason.

I hear what you're saying but I genuinely believe the best players want CL Football as well as a big wage, they want the exposure for further big moves and chances to be seen for national selection.
Not because I'm a blue, but can genuinely see the clubs out of Europe and rebuilding this summer paying way over the odds,

 

[sawtooth]

I hear what you're saying but I genuinely believe the best players want CL Football as well as a big wage, they want the exposure for further big moves and chances to be seen for national selection.
Not because I'm a blue, but can genuinely see the clubs out of Europe and rebuilding this summer paying way over the odds,

Unless more clubs buy smarter like Leicester.

The more I think about Leicester the more astounded I am by it all. What are the chances of picking up the players like they did for pittance again? They showed that it can be done but its quite rare to unearth bargains like Mahrez, Vardy, Drinkwater and Kante.

 

[Papas1982]

Unless more clubs buy smarter like Leicester.

The more I think about Leicester the more astounded I am by it all. What are the chances of picking up the players like they did for pittance again? They showed that it can be done but its quite rare to unearth bargains like Mahrez, Vardy, Drinkwater and Kante.

I think nest season will show us whether they were great signings or not. Obviously for leicester fans its amazing. Whetehr the players are that good, or just all collectively remain to be seen. Vardy scored 5 last season wasnt it? Drinkwater was dumped by utd and kante and mahrez were plying lower than vardy at one point. If i were leicester i'd sell for the best orice i could get as i dont see thenm all performing as they have this season.

 

[Pin-seeker]

I think nest season will show us whether they were great signings or not. Obviously for leicester fans its amazing. Whetehr the players are that good, or just all collectively remain to be seen. Vardy scored 5 last season wasnt it? Drinkwater was dumped by utd and kante and mahrez were plying lower than vardy at one point. If i were leicester i'd sell for the best orice i could get as i dont see thenm all performing as they have this season.

They've just won the league,regardless of how they perform next season they've been great signings.

 

[Papas1982]

They've just won the league,regardless of how they perform next season they've been great signings.

In context my point was that suggesting clubs can do a Leicester is unrealistic. One hot season does not mean they are suddenly the business model to follow.