Europa Cup Final

[ColchesterFC]

I wouldn't complain if it was winner only then straight knock out tbf.

I've come up with an idea for future European competitions. The winners of each of the European Leagues goes into a straight knock out competition with each round over two legs home and away, let's call it the European Cup. The next two or three in each of the national leagues go into a straight knock out competition, each round over two legs home and away, and we'll call this one the UEFA Cup. Finally the winners of each national cup competition go into a 3rd competition this time called the European Cup Winners Cup.

 

[sawtooth]

Loser.
Sad, sad loser.

If you cant take it don't give it out.:thup:

 

[Papas1982]

HaHa very good.

Would you have been happy if a team that finished below you went into the CL? Got to be a better solution.

Wouldnt be bothered in the slightest. It's a cup and the cl is the prize. In theory a team below us can still get a place ineurope ahead of 8 teams that finished above em (palace).

 

[super hans]

I've come up with an idea for future European competitions. The winners of each of the European Leagues goes into a straight knock out competition with each round over two legs home and away, let's call it the European Cup. The next two or three in each of the national leagues go into a straight knock out competition, each round over two legs home and away, and we'll call this one the UEFA Cup. Finally the winners of each national cup competition go into a 3rd competition this time called the European Cup Winners Cup.

I like it - but it'll never catch on........makes too much sense and not enough money

 

[Fyldewhite]

It's all about money (as usual) but call it what they like the CL is a great competition. The business end is KO anyway and the format gets the best teams into the comp.

Imagine Leicester, Barcelona, Bayern, PSG battling it out with Club Brugge, PAOK Salonika, HJK Helsinki, FC Copenhagen and the like BUT without Real Madrid, Atletico, Arsenal, Ajax, Porto, Man City etc. Personally I have enjoyed it most years and wouldn't want to go back to Champions only KO. Not that that will ever happen, it's set in stone now.

As for tonight, Liverpool were so poor second half it was difficult to fathom.......that despite playing "in a stadium just like Anfield", "never having lost a euro final playing in red", "Never having lost from being ahead" etc etc.....anyone else find the BT coverage garbage? It was my first proper experience (aside from the pub where the commentary/punditry is less important). Won't be rushing out to subscribe any time soon. Is it always that bad or did they put on a special show for a final?

 

[chrisd]

Wouldnt be bothered in the slightest. It's a cup and the cl is the prize. In theory a team below us can still get a place ineurope ahead of 8 teams that finished above em (palace).

Mmmmmmmmm now that's gonna be fun if it happens!

 

[Papas1982]

Mmmmmmmmm now that's gonna be fun if it happens!

I'm torn. As a saints fan, always cheer the underdog. But a Utd win guarantees are spot in group stages of Europa. Then we can beat Sevilla in the final.....

 

[Pin-seeker]

Did we really need another thread about LPool and started by an Arsenal fan! My oh my, Pinseeker will not be happy with this😃

Starting to worry about the amount of attention I'm receiving from you Paul

 

[Pin-seeker]

Jurgen Klopp finals
Finals reached 6
Finals won 1

Big game bottler? 🤔

 

[Fish]

The only thing I disagree with is the the ability for a team from the CL to drop into the Europa, clubs that just can't push themselves and are simply not good enough (Arsenal) to win the CL but have been good enough to qualify for it should be just knocked out, to have teams like Barca, Madrid along with a couple of others being able to drop into Europa and then dominate a weakened league/cup competition just isn't right IMO.

I would like to withdraw my previous comments that Liverpool are/were currently a decent cup team, the quick second half goal shouldn't have affected them as much as it did, but I can't remember seeing a team imploding as much as that in a second half, more so in a final with a huge prize of CL football next season, they totally lost the midfield battle in the second half and didn't have a plan B to get the ball back off Seville, who showed far more grit and passion, did Klopp get found out last night, after all, I think it was reported that this was his 5th final on the belt that he's lost, Klipperty Klopp is now Krapperty Klunk :smirk:

Unfortunately reports coming in about violence in the stadium before kick-off, if this was Chelsea or any other team certain individuals would be posting immediately condemning their actions, where are they now condemning their own club fans actions :mmm:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...l-Sevilla-fans-prior-Europa-League-final.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...adium-prior-to-kick-off-a7036851.html#gallery

 

[garyinderry]

Was their any leaders on the pitch last night?

All I saw was a team wilting before my eyes.

What did Klopp do to stem the flow and change things tactically? They didn't get a kick in the second half. Kept waiting for the big liverpool push but they went out in a whimper.

Got what their season deserved really.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Was Coutinho even on the pitch last night?
Over rated

 

[Fish]

People spoke about Klopps intense training and high intensity style when he arrived, obviously it only works for a first half sprint and then they all flag and wilt away, but don't worry, he's going to use the extra time they have now, but for what, more high intensity training or the ability to go and fight to get the ball back off the team that clearly had a plan B.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Unfortunately reports coming in about violence in the stadium before kick-off, if this was Chelsea or any other team certain individuals would be posting immediately condemning their actions, where are they now condemning their own club fans actions :mmm:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...l-Sevilla-fans-prior-Europa-League-final.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...adium-prior-to-kick-off-a7036851.html#gallery

In fairness, the two most likely to comment fairly and honestly on it are probably either still travelling back or sleeping.

It does seem somewhat dumb, even by UEFA's low standards, to put opposing fans in the same stand without segregation and then expect nothing to happen…….

 

[pbrown7582]

In fairness, the two most likely to comment fairly and honestly on it are probably either still travelling back or sleeping.

It does seem somewhat dumb, even by UEFA's low standards, to put opposing fans in the same stand without segregation and then expect nothing to happen…….

They were only in the same stand as Sevilla sent 2k tickets back which Liverpool were extra allocated 1600 due to demand leaving supposedly 400 segragated section.
Was minor but still a blight. The unconfirmed reports of missiles at disabled fans is really disappointing IF true.

 

[pbrown7582]

UEFA need to look at the rules again IMO, tonight you could have had a team that finished 8th in their domestic league go into the CL next year.

That can't be right can it?

Or a team winning the comp that only played in half of it after being parachuted in half way through!
As fish says CL teams once knocked out at group stage should not enter the EL.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I've come up with an idea for future European competitions. The winners of each of the European Leagues goes into a straight knock out competition with each round over two legs home and away, let's call it the European Cup. The next two or three in each of the national leagues go into a straight knock out competition, each round over two legs home and away, and we'll call this one the UEFA Cup. Finally the winners of each national cup competition go into a 3rd competition this time called the European Cup Winners Cup.

I would agree with that.
We enjoyed more exciting football in those days, until greed got in the way.

Pity about Liverpool, I was hoping that we just might have had a re run of those close games v Hearts next year.

 

[NWJocko]

People spoke about Klopps intense training and high intensity style when he arrived, obviously it only works for a first half sprint and then they all flag and wilt away, but don't worry, he's going to use the extra time they have now, but for what, more high intensity training or the ability to go and fight to get the ball back off the team that clearly had a plan B.

Not sure how he'll improve (training/players, needs both imo) but I'd be quite encouraged as a Liverpool fan, IF he can get them playing consistently like they finding the first half last night. Haven't watched much of Klopps teams but was impressed in the first 45, Sevilla couldn't get out and we're constantly under pressure. Banega played about 40 yards further up the pitch in the second half as Liverpool tailed off.

Not sure if the early goal in the second half rattled them but agree they could do with some stronger personalities in the team to keep them "at it" in games like last night.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Liverpool top 4 next season (or at least challenging strongly) as they've no European games either.

 

[sawtooth]

People spoke about Klopps intense training and high intensity style when he arrived, obviously it only works for a first half sprint and then they all flag and wilt away, but don't worry, he's going to use the extra time they have now, but for what, more high intensity training or the ability to go and fight to get the ball back off the team that clearly had a plan B.

Maybe that after a long season of running , pressing, high tempo, high energy and maybe even nervous energy in the final that it suddenly caught up with the players?

Worryingly for England Sturridge was beaten very easily for pace albeit quite late on in the match, possibly ( hopefully) only a bit of tiredness there.

 

[Blue in Munich]

HaHa very good.

Would you have been happy if a team that finished below you went into the CL? Got to be a better solution.

Perhaps we need someone better qualified to comment on that, like a Spurs fan………… :rofl:

The only thing I disagree with is the the ability for a team from the CL to drop into the Europa, clubs that just can't push themselves and are simply not good enough (Arsenal) to win the CL but have been good enough to qualify for it should be just knocked out, to have teams like Barca, Madrid along with a couple of others being able to drop into Europa and then dominate a weakened league/cup competition just isn't right IMO.

Looking at some of the group draws in the CL, I'm not necessarily unhappy with that as it stands, and I think as an insurance policy it's not a half bad idea, as you will see below.

Or a team winning the comp that only played in half of it after being parachuted in half way through!
As fish says CL teams once knocked out at group stage should not enter the EL.

Look at the actual CL group for that year; the team to which you refer had the same points and a better goal difference as the team in their group that stayed in the CL for the KO stage. In fact their group stage record was better in terms of points and goal difference than 4 teams in other groups that went into the CL KO stage…… :ears: