EU Referendum

Liverpoolphil said:
I think it's fair to say there is a level of intolerance on both sides of the fence - it was the same before the vote and was always going to happen which ever way the vote went.

Only have to look at some of the stuff being said on here about Scotland and what Farage is saying
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Hmmm. Seems more to me like lefties not accepting a democratic vote and furthermore, worrying about the parlous state of the financial markets. Strange times we are living in!
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Oh just get real!

OK then - let's wait until we get the breakdown and I'll then tell my children that they were wrong - that in fact it was the under 30s who voted us out,
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Well I only know four people who voted Leave and their ages; 31, 32, 42 and 69. Equally I know five Remain voters (including myself) ages 31, 60, 67, 67, and 73.

We will not get a breakdown by age of voter because nobody knows. The figures so far presented were prepared by the same people who, as late as 10 o'clock last night were predicting a win for Remain.
 
Old Skier said:
Scotland voting is an interesting one. Numbers voting was lower than the national average and way lower than the Indy vote.

We're they complacent or just not really interested in the EU in the way that we were led to believe.

Hard one to work out.
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I'm up here and I've seen no canvassing, no posters up, nothing highlighting this referendum, compared to 2014 its night and day. It was a given remain would win here and therefore maybe a little voter apathy reflected in turnout given recent Indyref, general election and scottish elections. Scotland is not under immigration pressure (perceived or real) like parts of England, we need population growth so that's not much of an issue. UK Sovereignty is not a major pull either given support for independence and even republic. EU spend is obvious in rural areas of Scotland, some massive infrastructure improvements that the UK govt would not have made. Some may have voted tactically to make the SNP position stronger but most would genuinely be happy enough to be part of EU despite its flaws. Odd juxtaposition with SNP and Cameron pulling in the same direction this time.
This is not a position Nicola Sturgeon wanted, may get her hand forced, Salmond slavering already for another pop at Indy, does he not realise he's no longer party leader? Who'd be in politics?
 
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MetalMickie said:
Well I only know four people who voted Leave and their ages; 31, 32, 42 and 69. Equally I know five Remain voters (including myself) ages 31, 60, 67, 67, and 73.

We will not get a breakdown by age of voter because nobody knows. The figures so far presented were prepared by the same people who, as late as 10 o'clock last night were predicting a win for Remain.
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OK then - I'll accept that we will never know exactly the demographic breakdown of the vote.
 
Snelly said:
Hmmm. Seems more to me like lefties not accepting a democratic vote and furthermore, worrying about the parlous state of the financial markets. Strange times we are living in!
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Can understand people being worried - there has been immediate reaction financially and time will tell how long that goes on for - certainly seen stories of million dollar trade deals cancelled already - all knee jerk stuff that will happen because the country is moving into the unknown

There seems a belief that we will go back to the prosperous days before EU yet my parents say they were dark bleak days with the industries ripped apart by our own government - the country could boom on its own again , we could continue to prosper and jobs etc will rise but right now it's hard to see how that will happen when we need to re negotiate deals - hope we aren't like the Swiss and take 9 years.

My biggest concern is I don't trust one single politician - we won't send this money to the EU but instead will spend in within the uk - but who is to say that we will have it to spend anyway. Lots of unknown questions and they now need to deliver what's promised - coming out about the £350mil and NHS wasn't a good start
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
OK then - I'll accept that we will never know exactly the demographic breakdown of the vote.
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There is an Ashcroft UK leavers poll around [on Wings], it looks pretty comprehensive with a 15,000 sample.

Big difference in the voting of the comfortable older generation 45+ [oot] compared to the struggling younger generation 18-35 [in].
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
OK then - I'll accept that we will never know exactly the demographic breakdown of the vote.
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The trouble is too many assumptions have been made throughout the campaign.

It was initially assumed that the Labour vote would largely support Remain but judging by the constituency results this was both a wrong and dangerous assumption.

Many of those core voters have concerns over seemingly uncontrolled immigration and its effect upon infrastructure like schools and the NHS.

Those concerns may well be unfounded but no attempt appears to have been made to address them or explain why they are unfounded.

This is attributable to a fear by all members of the political elite to even discuss the issue for fear of accusations of racism thereby providing fertile ground for the pernicious views of Farage to take hold.
 
I am sad and I am confused - and so I listened to the statements by Gove and Johnson - and they looked stunned and could offer nothing that gave me any cause for hope or optimism. It's as if Cameron has just said - well you've broke it - you fix it - and they don't know what to do. I very much hope that, in fact, they have more idea than what I've just heard.
 
bluewolf said:
Disappointed by the decision, but it's now time for everyone to pull together to make the best of the situation we've put ourselves in. It's not time for political opportunism or mindless bickering.

Whatever happens, we've got an interesting few years ahead of us.
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This. :thup:.
We'll be reet mate (I think/hope :confused:)
 
The majority of Britain voted leave because we've been stuck in the same rut for decades.
We're constantly being told that everything is falling down around us.......
The armed forces under equipped
double dip recession
NHS unable to cope
Police stretched to the limit
Too many people coming to Britain and scrounging off an already stretched welfare system,
and still we give billions to the EU to prop up the likes of Lithuania, Hungary, Luxembourg.
Don't even mention the MPs lying to their back teeth to stay on the gravy train lining their pockets and sod anyone else.
All in it together?
Is it any wonder the majority of people voted for a change.
And don't forget, if you don't change anything, nothing will change.

If we had woken up this morning and been told the 'STAY' had won, nothing would change.
But Britain voted for a change, they voted to end all the misery, they voted for a new hope.

It's not going to be easy but then nothing worth getting ever is.
If you don't try, you don't get.
 
bobmac said:
The majority of Britain voted leave because we've been stuck in the same rut for decades.
We're constantly being told that everything is falling down around us.......
The armed forces under equipped
double dip recession
NHS unable to cope
Police stretched to the limit
Too many people coming to Britain and scrounging off an already stretched welfare system,
and still we give billions to the EU to prop up the likes of Lithuania, Hungary, Luxembourg.
Don't even mention the MPs lying to their back teeth to stay on the gravy train lining their pockets and sod anyone else.
All in it together?
Is it any wonder the majority of people voted for a change.
And don't forget, if you don't change anything, nothing will change.

If we had woken up this morning and been told the 'STAY' had won, nothing would change.
But Britain voted for a change, they voted to end all the misery, they voted for a new hope.

It's not going to be easy but then nothing worth getting ever is.
If you don't try, you don't get.
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I wanted to say all the above but couldn't be bothered to type it all. So can i borrow this post and say "me too"
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Can understand people being worried - there has been immediate reaction financially and time will tell how long that goes on for - certainly seen stories of million dollar trade deals cancelled already - all knee jerk stuff that will happen because the country is moving into the unknown

There seems a belief that we will go back to the prosperous days before EU yet my parents say they were dark bleak days with the industries ripped apart by our own government - the country could boom on its own again , we could continue to prosper and jobs etc will rise but right now it's hard to see how that will happen when we need to re negotiate deals - hope we aren't like the Swiss and take 9 years.

My biggest concern is I don't trust one single politician - we won't send this money to the EU but instead will spend in within the uk - but who is to say that we will have it to spend anyway. Lots of unknown questions and they now need to deliver what's promised - coming out about the £350mil and NHS wasn't a good start
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My concern that the country has voted for a structure than no one knows how to implement, who will implement or what the outcome will be. On R4 this morning Iain Duncan Smith stated openly he had no idea who would lead the country into this period of uncertainty......come on! - you campaigned hard for Leave with no idea how it would work when David Cam inevitably fell on his sword..that is what worries me.
 
bobmac said:
The majority of Britain voted leave because we've been stuck in the same rut for decades.
We're constantly being told that everything is falling down around us.......
The armed forces under equipped
double dip recession
NHS unable to cope
Police stretched to the limit
Too many people coming to Britain and scrounging off an already stretched welfare system,
and still we give billions to the EU to prop up the likes of Lithuania, Hungary, Luxembourg.
Don't even mention the MPs lying to their back teeth to stay on the gravy train lining their pockets and sod anyone else.
All in it together?
Is it any wonder the majority of people voted for a change.
And don't forget, if you don't change anything, nothing will change.

If we had woken up this morning and been told the 'STAY' had won, nothing would change.
But Britain voted for a change, they voted to end all the misery, they voted for a new hope.

It's not going to be easy but then nothing worth getting ever is.
If you don't try, you don't get.
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I agree with your summary, however, these are the same people who voted for austerity, the very reason the country is in the state it is. But aye, blame the EU.
 
We could have changed the eu. We could have stayed and played our part to make it better for ourselves, our European neighbours and the rest of the world.

We didn't. In truth, we never properly engaged with it. We're a small minded, insular country that grows more irrelevant in international terms with each passing government.

We had a great chance to mean something in the modern world and we turned our backs.
 
FairwayDodger said:
We could have changed the eu. We could have stayed and played our part to make it better for ourselves, our European neighbours and the rest of the world.

We didn't. In truth, we never properly engaged with it. We're a small minded, insular country that grows more irrelevant in international terms with each passing government.

We had a great chance to mean something in the modern world and we turned our backs.
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So it seems - sadly.
 
bobmac said:
The majority of Britain voted leave because we've been stuck in the same rut for decades.
We're constantly being told that everything is falling down around us.......
The armed forces under equipped
double dip recession
NHS unable to cope
Police stretched to the limit
Too many people coming to Britain and scrounging off an already stretched welfare system,
and still we give billions to the EU to prop up the likes of Lithuania, Hungary, Luxembourg.
Don't even mention the MPs lying to their back teeth to stay on the gravy train lining their pockets and sod anyone else.
All in it together?
Is it any wonder the majority of people voted for a change.
And don't forget, if you don't change anything, nothing will change.

If we had woken up this morning and been told the 'STAY' had won, nothing would change.
But Britain voted for a change, they voted to end all the misery, they voted for a new hope.

It's not going to be easy but then nothing worth getting ever is.
If you don't try, you don't get.
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The problem is Bob - none of that is EU's fault

The EU have actually ensured money was spent in areas that our own government were ignoring

Police, NHS , Armed Forces - all measures put in place by our government not the EU

More UK nationals scrounging of the benefits

Recession isn't down to the EU as well

Businesses were doing well because of the EU , our NHS is propped up by migrant workers willing to do the dirty jobs , by migrant workers who have worked to get a better a job whilst UK nationals sit and claim benefits

Our economy was on the way up - wages on the way up , people owning homes - the country was improving IMO and the EU helped

Now we have do that on our own.
 
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