Envy or jealousy ?

Val said:
Is this world cup thing not done not done yet ;)

For what it's worth, I see England getting past Croatia but I fancy both France and Belgium are a step above and see the winners being whoever wins that semi.
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Apparently I am a "Little Englander" but I would agree with your prediction for the winner.

Not certain that England will beat Croatia, still there's no harm in hoping.
 
Hobbit said:
There was quite possibly 20 million people supporting England yesterday. I would bet there’s less than 00001% of them being idiots.

Youtube has pics of how the Spanish police dealt with over exuberance in Benidorm yesterday. Picture how they dealt with the independence rallies in Barca. As well as wielding batons, they also fired shotguns.:eek:
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Spot on.
No different from the few idiots that support club teams.
 
Tell you who's more bitter than any Scots re Englands football success - Englands rugby fans, well some of. Share an office with 3 lads, one's a fellow Jock who's indifferent about football, one a Leeds man who's a rugby league nut and hates football or anything to do with football and other's from Peak District somewhere, has zero interest in football, likes rugby (not sure which code) and seems wholly unaware of the world cup ongoing. Both the English lads just rubbish football as a game for wimps, doesn't matter it's their own country doing well. Surprised at that tbh.
Know nothing of rugby league myself as it's colloquial in the UK but just seems like jealousy of footballs world spread and success.
 
pauldj42 said:
I don’t understand why the need to post isolated incidents of morons misbehaving, no one denies we have them.
Ambulance crews were stoned in the midlands recently after being called out to an emergency, these incidents happen up and down the Country every weekend.
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Lancashire Asst Chief Constable tweeted this morning -

@ACCWoods
@ACCWoods


In the last 24hrs we dealt with 2200 incidents the highest on record. Demand surged after the England match predominantly alcohol fuelled violence inclu. domestic & serious assaults.We had planned for this but such a shame this happens.Well done team @LancsPolice for your efforts

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a bit more than "isolated incidents" on a normal weekend ...
 
rudebhoy said:
Lancashire Asst Chief Constable tweeted this morning -

@ACCWoods
@ACCWoods


In the last 24hrs we dealt with 2200 incidents the highest on record. Demand surged after the England match predominantly alcohol fuelled violence inclu. domestic & serious assaults.We had planned for this but such a shame this happens.Well done team @LancsPolice for your efforts

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a bit more than "isolated incidents" on a normal weekend ...
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Is the above a direct response to the 2 posts I was answering? No

What’s your point? Is it any different to these type of incidents rising after an Old Firm game?

How many more times do I have to agree we have morons and idiots who are English? :confused:
 
rudebhoy said:
Lancashire Asst Chief Constable tweeted this morning -

@ACCWoods
@ACCWoods


In the last 24hrs we dealt with 2200 incidents the highest on record. Demand surged after the England match predominantly alcohol fuelled violence inclu. domestic & serious assaults.We had planned for this but such a shame this happens.Well done team @LancsPolice for your efforts

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a bit more than "isolated incidents" on a normal weekend ...
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This would never happen in Scotland/Wales/Ireland/any other country in the world right?

You really are dredging the bottom of the barrel in order to try and prove your point, but all you've done is prove what we already know about you.

Well done! :thup:
 
pauldj42 said:
Is the above a direct response to the 2 posts I was answering? No

What’s your point? Is it any different to these type of incidents rising after an Old Firm game?

How many more times do I have to agree we have morons and idiots who are English? :confused:
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I posted it in response to a number of comments (not just from you), that there would only be a few isolated incidents, just like any other saturday night, and I was wrong to state things were likely to turn nasty after the game. When the ACC says that they had to deal with a record number of violent incidents, it proves my point.

As for Old Firm games, there is the odd flashpoint, but nothing like this amount of widespread mayhem - over 2000 incidents in one county alone is pretty remarkable.
 
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Lazkir said:
This would never happen in Scotland/Wales/Ireland/any other country in the world right?

You really are dredging the bottom of the barrel in order to try and prove your point, but all you've done is prove what we already know about you.

Well done! :thup:
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see above post. as for scraping barrels, aren't you the one who lobbed in the "racist" card?
 
Funny how times have changed. I remember being desperate for Scotland to do well in 1974 and 1978 when England failed to qualify. I remember shouting at the TV screen when Bremner et al were playing calypso football against Zaire when I felt they should have been scoring as many as possible to ensure they got out of the group.
I could never understand why the Scots wanted England to fail when England qualified and was amazed when I heard an interview with Dennis Law when he said he hated England winning in 1966.
Now, I would be the same. Anyone except Scotland. (Well maybe not anyone. Let’s say anyone except Scotland, Germany or Argentina). TBH I am not very proud of myself in this regard but I do believe it’s more reactionary than anything else.

If you watch films of the 1966 Final there isn’t a flag of St George to be seen. It’s all Union Jacks. I used to think it was because everyone thought of England as Britain. But I have grown to realise that we were more together back then. A British nation of four countries. Now we have become cynical and divided. The old days will never return.

Quite sad really.
 
rudebhoy said:
I posted it in response to a number of comments (not just from you), that there would only be a few isolated incidents, just like any other saturday night, and I was wrong to state things were likely to turn nasty after the game. When the ACC says that they had to deal with a record number of violent incidents, it proves my point.

As for Old Firm games, there is the odd flashpoint, but nothing like this amount of widespread mayhem - over 2000 incidents in one country alone is pretty remarkable.
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That’s not what he said, the tweet stated a record number of incidents the majority being alcohol related violence, not a record number of violent incidents.

It proves nothing as we agreed we have a tiny minority of morons in the country.

The Met Police stated they did not see a spike in calls, maybe it was just the Lancashire morons playing up.

2000 incidents will be all incidents, ie absolutely any reason and not all football related.
 
pauldj42 said:
That’s not what he said, the tweet stated a record number of incidents the majority being alcohol related violence, not a record number of violent incidents.

It proves nothing as we agreed we have a tiny minority of morons in the country.

The Met Police stated they did not see a spike in calls, maybe it was just the Lancashire morons playing up.

2000 incidents will be all incidents, ie absolutely any reason and not all football related.
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If you read what the ACC said, it was predominantly alcohol fuelled violence after the football. Why do you think he put a red card with "behave yourself" and a refs whistle on his tweet.

West Midlands Police also reported a record number of incidents, blaming them on a mixture of alcohol, sun and the WC.

Devon and Cornwall Police reported a big spike as well.

Think we can agree that disorder was pretty widespread.

Imagine what it would have been like if England had lost....
 
rudebhoy said:
If you read what the ACC said, it was predominantly alcohol fuelled violence after the football. Why do you think he put a red card with "behave yourself" and a refs whistle on his tweet.

West Midlands Police also reported a record number of incidents, blaming them on a mixture of alcohol, sun and the WC.

Devon and Cornwall Police reported a big spike as well.

Think we can agree that disorder was pretty widespread.

Imagine what it would have been like if England had lost....
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It’s still not a record number of violent incidents as you actually posted.

I understand exactly what the Police are saying and I am not sticking up for or justifying the moronic actions of a tiny majority, but you can’t change a quote to suit your agenda.

Please explain yours and other poster points.

Everyone agreed we have idiots who can’t hold their drink.

Posting link after link, which by the way nobody opens, won’t change our disgust of the tiny minority.

PS Any links to trouble at the festival? ;)
 
Liverpoolphil said:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-44756829

Our local pub had multiple incidents with arrests as well - flares and smoke bombs going off with some people having to go to hospital

Stabbing as well

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.hu...-world-cup-match_uk_5b41f991e4b09e4a8b2e2453/
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Do you ever read your links?
They received the call for the stabbing during the game! Coincidence or actually football related as the report doesn’t say either way.

The other report also has some Police Authorities stating they had no issues!
 
pauldj42 said:
It’s still not a record number of violent incidents as you actually posted.

I understand exactly what the Police are saying and I am not sticking up for or justifying the moronic actions of a tiny majority, but you can’t change a quote to suit your agenda.

Please explain yours and other poster points.

Everyone agreed we have idiots who can’t hold their drink.

Posting link after link, which by the way nobody opens, won’t change our disgust of the tiny minority.
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PS Any links to trouble at the festival?
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Talk about splitting hairs!

The ACC's words "we dealt with 2200 incidents the highest on record. Demand surged after the England match predominantly alcohol fuelled violence inclu. domestic & serious assaults."

so, there was a record amount of incidents, predominantly violent, we agreed on that, yes?

I paraphased ever so slightly, and neither of us have seen a detailed breakdown, but it there was a record number of incidents, the vast majority being violent, then it's a pretty safe bet that would equate to a record number of violent incidents.

you do seem to be clutching at straws here.

as for the festival, I wasn't there and haven't spoken directly to anyone who was, but I have seen on facebook that shop windows in tynemouth were put in early evening, and the owner says it was football fans. Not crime of the century, but does suggest an unpleasant atmosphere, so glad I didn't go.

 
rudebhoy said:
Talk about splitting hairs!

The ACC's words "we dealt with 2200 incidents the highest on record. Demand surged after the England match predominantly alcohol fuelled violence inclu. domestic & serious assaults."

so, there was a record amount of incidents, predominantly violent, we agreed on that, yes?

I paraphased ever so slightly, and neither of us have seen a detailed breakdown, but it there was a record number of incidents, the vast majority being violent, then it's a pretty safe bet that would equate to a record number of violent incidents.

you do seem to be clutching at straws here.

as for the festival, I wasn't there and haven't spoken directly to anyone who was, but I have seen on facebook that shop windows in tynemouth were put in early evening, and the owner says it was football fans. Not crime of the century, but does suggest an unpleasant atmosphere, so glad I didn't go.
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England fans have a tiny minority who sre idiotic morons who cause damage, fight, get drunk etc etc, posting it again for the god knows how many times.

You have posted about England fans, a few have questioned your motive and mentioned about tarring everyone with the same brush.

Yes, I accept you paraphrased, but it’s paraphraseing once again to back up your point about England fans in general, just stick to facts or quote directly, that way there is no confusion.

Then you say I’m splitting hairs! Quality, you couldn’t make it up!

You still haven’t answered the question as to what was the point of once again highlighting the tiny minority misbehaving
 
Why can it not be agreed that there are idiots everywhere who will attach themselves to football teams?

Could be national sides or clubs.

Could be alcohol fuelled violence or vile religious bigotry.

Whatever form it takes is despicable but it fortunate remains the minority.
 
6 tonnes of broken glass swept up in Nottingham, a police dog in Dorset abused because it’s a German Shepherd (I don’t know whether to laugh or cry) and idiots trying to trash a Swedish furniture store. Makes you proud to be English, but hey, let’s just dismiss it as an average Saturday night.

The only good good news story that I’ve seen come out of this is that the Millwall supporters club has started a crowdfunding page to pay for the repairs to the ambulance put out of commission in Borough High Street.

Why do these numpties consider it acceptable to behave like complete and utter cretins just because we won a football match?
 
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