Envy or jealousy ?

rudebhoy said:
it does happen occasionally, but nowhere near as often as it does with England. I went to Seville to see Celtic in the UEFA Cup Final, there was 80,000 of us there, and not a single arrest, in fact our fans won an award from FIFA for being the best in the world.

I've also been to Perpignan for the last 2 years to watch Leeds Rhinos, there have been 3 or 4 thousand fans there, all English, all on the beer, and all perfectly behaved. The contrast between them and English football fans was unbelievable.
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5 arrests in Seville before and after the game, 81 arrested back in Scotland after the defeat.
Does that mean you left the idiots behind?
 
pauldj42 said:
This is the Mouth of The Tyne Festival, 4 Day concert, sold out months ago.
Who bought the tickets? England fans hoping we’d be playing in the Q/F or music fans, thousands attending.
Not your local pub with a few nkobheads.
You really must stop tarring every England fan with the same brush.
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I've been to it a few times, it's a general p1ss up, just as many young lads out for a night on the beer as there is diehard music fans. the tickets are cheap, there are a load of pubs on the doorstep, and you can take in as much alcohol as you can carry. It will be worse today because there will be a load who have been on the beer since early afternoon.

btw - no-one is saying "every england fan", I'm saying there will be a sizeable minority who will be acting like idiots.
 
rudebhoy said:
I've been to it a few times, it's a general p1ss up, just as many young lads out for a night on the beer as there is diehard music fans. the tickets are cheap, there are a load of pubs on the doorstep, and you can take in as much alcohol as you can carry. It will be worse today because there will be a load who have been on the beer since early afternoon.

btw - no-one is saying "every england fan", I'm saying there will be a sizeable minority who will be acting like idiots.
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So why didn’t you post a “sizeable minority”, you posted “full of England fans” intimating every England fan with a beer in them will be causing trouble.
 
bluewolf said:
That's not what you said. You said "England fans".
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Come on mate - you know he isnt meaning "every single England" fan - it shouldnt really need it fully spelling or are people getting that sensitive these day or just looking for offense

You only have to read through the thread to see some of the arrogance that gets displayed from England fans ( do i need to say some because we all know its not all of them )

For decades England fans ( sorry some ) have shown themselves up in multiple ways , violence mainly fueled by booze especially in away comps , how many incidents have there been ? it seems any time there is any incident these days at an international England fans seem to be involved ( sorry not all )

The chap has a very valid point , in fact he has had a few both on the actions during the game from fans and the attitude displayed - it makes people want England to lose so we can past it all ( sorry makes some want them to lose )

The arrogance within the squad has been weeded out and the squad are now a well grounded likable bunch of players and manager - next step is trying to remove that reputation away from the fan base.

But people throwing the racist tag around ?? Sorry maybe they should see and face real racism and prejudice first before such a line is used so freely
 
pauldj42 said:
So why didn’t you post a “sizeable minority”, you posted “full of England fans” intimating every England fan with a beer in them will be causing trouble.
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I've never once said or implied that every England fan is a troublemaker, but if it helps you avoid the point I was making, feel free to persist with that nonsense.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Come on mate - you know he isnt meaning "every single England" fan - it shouldnt really need it fully spelling or are people getting that sensitive these day or just looking for offense

You only have to read through the thread to see some of the arrogance that gets displayed from England fans ( do i need to say some because we all know its not all of them )

For decades England fans ( sorry some ) have shown themselves up in multiple ways , violence mainly fueled by booze especially in away comps , how many incidents have there been ? it seems any time there is any incident these days at an international England fans seem to be involved ( sorry not all )

The chap has a very valid point , in fact he has had a few both on the actions during the game from fans and the attitude displayed - it makes people want England to lose so we can past it all ( sorry makes some want them to lose )

The arrogance within the squad has been weeded out and the squad are now a well grounded likable bunch of players and manager - next step is trying to remove that reputation away from the fan base.

But people throwing the racist tag around ?? Sorry maybe they should see and face real racism and prejudice first before such a line is used so freely
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I didn't say it was Racist. I said it was xenophobic. And if you read his posts then he clearly has an issue with England fans. Conveniently forgetting that every other nation has issues with a minority of idiots. Context is King mate and you're missing it.

Anyway, I'm out. I have a round of golf then a game to watch in the Pub. I just hope I don't accidentally end up mashed and fighting like usual 👍😂
 
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rudebhoy said:
I've never once said or implied that every England fan is a troublemaker, but if it helps you avoid the point I was making, feel free to persist with that nonsense.
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Maybe you didn’t, but that is the point, the genuine, law abiding England fan gets just as sick of the nkobheads as you do, or being told were arrogant etc.
No one is looking to excuse the behaviour of a minority or pretend it’s gone away.
Is the media on overload, yes, is it wrong, yes (imo) but if I or someone else say something we’re the ones being over sensitive or reading it incorrectly.
Have a good day, whatever you get up to.
 
bluewolf said:
I didn't say it was Racist. I said it was xenophobic. And if you read his posts then he clearly has an issue with England fans. Conveniently forgetting that every other nation has issues with a minority of idiots. Context is King mate and you're missing it.
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The definition of xenophobia is a fear of foreigners, I've never said I was frightened of the English, so your use of the word is wrong.

But I do have an issue with England fans - some of them, not all of them. It's the same issue a lot of English people have with them as well.
 
pauldj42 said:
Maybe you didn’t, but that is the point, the genuine, law abiding England fan gets just as sick of the nkobheads as you do, or being told were arrogant etc.
No one is looking to excuse the behaviour of a minority or pretend it’s gone away.
Is the media on overload, yes, is it wrong, yes (imo) but if say something we’re the ones being over sensitive or reading it incorrectly.
Have a good day, whatever you get up to.
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That's the first post of yours I agree with, cheers 😀

Am off to find my ABBA cd now.....
 
rudebhoy said:
That's the first post of yours I agree with, cheers 😀

Am off to find my ABBA cd now.....
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Waterloo - Also a battle were the English, Prussians and Belgians came together to beat the French. :ears:
 
rudebhoy said:
The definition of xenophobia is a fear of foreigners, I've never said I was frightened of the English, so your use of the word is wrong.

But I do have an issue with England fans - some of them, not all of them. It's the same issue a lot of English people have with them as well.
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"Fear and Distrust" actually. So my use of the word is correct 👍

And is it just English football hooligans you have an issue with?
 
bluewolf said:
"Fear and Distrust" actually. So my use of the word is correct 

And is it just English football hooligans you have an issue with?
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[FONT=&quot]": [/FONT][FONT=&quot]fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign"

[/FONT]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/xenophobia

[FONT=&quot]basically it's a another more polite word for "racism', isn't it?



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rudebhoy said:
[FONT="]": [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#3B3E41][FONT="]fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign"

[/FONT]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/xenophobia

[FONT="]basically it's a another more polite word for "racism', isn't it?



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And no. It's not. Because being English, Scottish, French, Italian etc isn't a Race. It's a Nationality.
 
rudebhoy said:
I've been to it a few times, it's a general p1ss up, just as many young lads out for a night on the beer as there is diehard music fans. the tickets are cheap, there are a load of pubs on the doorstep, and you can take in as much alcohol as you can carry. It will be worse today because there will be a load who have been on the beer since early afternoon.

btw - no-one is saying "every england fan", I'm saying there will be a sizeable minority who will be acting like idiots.
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Backtracking like a pro!
Keep digging!
 
Well the past few pages has little or nothing to do with the original post.

How often on The Forum does the original post go completely off track?

Far too often is the answer.
 
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