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England Vs Scotland footy

Birchy said:
I said we beat Spain and Brazil as an example of the quality of teams England can compete against and beat. Thats a FACT, i saw it happen with my own eyes.

Just remind me what happened last time England played Spain in a major tournament? Spain have only ever beat us once in a major tournament and that was a very, very long time ago.

I deal in Facts. The fact is England are a good team at international level and we dont lose many games at all, fair dos we are crap at penalties and that has cost us major tournaments many times. That doesnt make you a crap team by any stretch though imo.
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I've just almost died laughing.
 
Birchy said:
Just remind me what happened last time England played Spain in a major tournament? Spain have only ever beat us once in a major tournament and that was a very, very long time ago.
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Using the fact that we beat Spain in a major tournament what, 20 odd years ago, to justify that we are anywhere near as good as the current team that are world and European champions is a bit daft. When we have not reached a semi final in 20 odd years.

I would probably not say we are 'crap', but based on the amount of money in the Premiership and our history and heritage, we are vastly underachieving. I read a very interesting article about the success of UK sport this summer, detailing how the successful sports had mostly embraced science, hired the best coaches and changed the way they looked at and coached the sports. Where as English/British football is years behind. And all the hype about British clubs having world class training set ups is rubbish. Yes some clubs may have superb facilities and have invested millions in the building and equipment, but what actually goes on in them is so out of date.

I think using the fact we are crap at penalties as a reason for us not doing well in international tournaments is also rather glossing over the fact that we have no where near the technical ability of a lot of major international teams. Other international teams have caught up on fitness and the type of game played in the Premiership, whilst exciting for those who were brought up on the 'quick, hoof the ball up to the centre forward as quickly as possible and don't worry about keeping possession of the ball stuff' style of football, is not the type of game that will win major international football tournaments any more.

I think it was Guardiola who said that Whiltshire would probably be a decent player in the Barcelona B team. Where as we seem to think he is the second coming as he has a vague hint of technical ability. And I don't see many team clamouring for his signature in the transfer market. Which to me sums it up.

If it wasn't for those damn penalties we'd be world champs....yeah right.
 
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Doon frae Troon said:
Your right back [don't know his name, already yellow carded for a poor challenge] should have been sent off for an off the ball incident that the ref missed, The ref then booked another England player for a trivial foul. The ref must have heard the Scots fans angry roar and re-acted by booking the obvious foul in front of him.

Good ref though, let the game flow well.


What do the English fans make of Forrest, star in the making I think.
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Forrest?

You are having a laugh Doon. The lad is a waste of a Green & White jersey and was a waste of a dark blue one on Wednesday......total passenger.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Using the fact that we beat Spain in a major tournament what, 20 odd years ago, to justify that we are anywhere near as good as the current team that are world and European champions is a bit daft. When we have not reached a semi final in 20 odd years.

I would probably not say we are 'crap', but based on the amount of money in the Premiership and our history and heritage, we are vastly underachieving. I read a very interesting article about the success of UK sport this summer, detailing how the successful sports had mostly embraced science, hired the best coaches and changed the way they looked at and coached the sports. Where as English/British football is years behind. And all the hype about British clubs having world class training set ups is rubbish. Yes some clubs may have superb facilities and have invested millions in the building and equipment, but what actually goes on in them is so out of date.

I think using the fact we are crap at penalties as a reason for us not doing well in international tournaments is also rather glossing over the fact that we have no where near the technical ability of a lot of major international teams. Other international teams have caught up on fitness and the type of game played in the Premiership, whilst exciting for those who were brought up on the 'quick, hoof the ball up to the centre forward as quickly as possible and don't worry about keeping possession of the ball stuff' style of football, is not the type of game that will win major international football tournaments any more.

I think it was Guardiola who said that Whiltshire would probably be a decent player in the Barcelona B team. Where as we seem to think he is the second coming as he has a vague hint of technical ability. And I don't see many team clamouring for his signature in the transfer market. Which to me sums it up.

If it wasn't for those damn penalties we'd be world champs....yeah right.
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There you go again off on a tangent twisting the argument to suit what your saying.

People called England crap and I say no they aren't and gave examples of top quality teams that we have beaten. Nowhere did I say we were a better team than Spain or Brazil I just showed an example that tells me we can compete and get results against the best teams in the world.

I never said we were best in the world or gonna win the world cup or any major tournament and I cant see us winning one soon but that doesn't make us crap.

We were in a major semi final 17 years ago so yet again you exaggerate the facts so it suits what your saying. Nothing to be proud of but you are wrong again.

Spain have only come good in the recent era, they never used to win jack. They currently have a style of play which is innovative and successful but it wont last forever, somebody will come up with something new they always do.

Theres a lot of clubs do have world class training faciltites too so that's another thing your wrong on, ive seen them In the flesh. The thing holding us back is the methods used to train players at early ages imo but that another matter.

Apart from that I agree with what your saying! :rolleyes:
 
Do you think Forest be interested in Forest.

Lennon [or whoever is in charge of transfers] seems to be doing a decent job in the market.
Some of the young players look ready to step up and the have about £18m in the bank from outgoers.
They don't seem to have they spent much in incomers?
 
I agree England are not crap. However, they're not in the "top tier" of countries that can realistically challenge to win a major tournament but are certainly in the next group. They should always qualify and are capable of a decent run and occasionally beating one of the top teams.

It looks like the England team is suffering much as the Scottish one did from a heavy reliance on foreign players in the league. Not being an England fan it's hard to know but it appears to me that the team is not as competitive on the world stage as it was prior to the premiership.....
 
FairwayDodger said:
I agree England are not crap. However, they're not in the "top tier" of countries that can realistically challenge to win a major tournament but are certainly in the next group. They should always qualify and are capable of a decent run and occasionally beating one of the top teams.

It looks like the England team is suffering much as the Scottish one did from a heavy reliance on foreign players in the league. Not being an England fan it's hard to know but it appears to me that the team is not as competitive on the world stage as it was prior to the premiership.....
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We are one of them teams imo that with a food run and a bit of luck we are capable but theres some very good teams in front of us that make that very difficult.

I think we have suffered by just standing still since the premiership has come in. Weve not really moved forward in our style of play or tactically as a team. Instead of learning from all these foreign imports we have just kept the same old methods thinking we know best (which we don't).

I think youngsters need to be trained differently and be more complete players rather than just big and fast like we have had/have. The technical aspect of our coaching at grass roots level needs to be looked at big style.
 
England not crap? Pretty crap then? Mildly crap? Just a bit crappier than average? Relatively, they are rubbish. In my opinion of course.


They will never win another major tournament in my lifetime. The players and coaches are not good enough. Without total root and branch reform as Germany have carried out over the last 10 years, nothing will change and England will be soundly beaten by better teams as soon as (or if) they get past the group stages. This reform will never happen whilst the FA hold the reins.

Anyone who disagrees is delusional or simply does not understand where England stand in world football.
 
Snelly said:
England not crap? Pretty crap then? Mildly crap? Just a bit crappier than average? Relatively, they are rubbish. In my opinion of course.


They will never win another major tournament in my lifetime. The players and coaches are not good enough. Without total root and branch reform as Germany have carried out over the last 10 years, nothing will change and England will be soundly beaten by better teams as soon as (or if) they get past the group stages. This reform will never happen whilst the FA hold the reins.

Anyone who disagrees is delusional or simply does not understand where England stand in world football.
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Yeah ok :rofl:
 
SaintHacker said:
It already has been, but obviously will take a few years to show as the oldest players who are recceving the new coaching ideas are 11/12
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Yeah Ive heard similar but not seen it yet as haven't had chance, suppose we have to be patient now and see how the young guys develop.

The FA centre at Burton will surely help with this too hopefully. :thup:
 
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