chrisd
Major Champion
But there are several situations whereby the rules allow a free drop for "bad luck" immovable obstructions for one!
Embedded ball - what would you have done?
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But there are several situations whereby the rules allow a free drop for "bad luck" immovable obstructions for one!
rulefan
Tour Winner
Obstructions are artificial and in principle have no place on a natural golf course.
rulefan
Tour Winner
In stroke play you are playing the course and only other players on the same course.
In match play, you are playing your opponent on the same course.
Similar ground conditions are irrelevant. Both courses don't have the same trees, bunkers, water, length.
rulefan
Tour Winner
That is what CSS is all about. The effect of conditions on the course on the day. Some courses may have preferred lies, tee mats, fairway mats, temporary greens; others won't. All at the discretion of the committee.
Your handicap is based on CSS not SSS or par.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Unless you have players at the same club, as per the OP, potentially playing to different rules....whether it be lax communication or lack of understanding.
If the "plugged in the rough" rule was as universal as "plugged in the fairway" rule there would be no misunderstanding.
bobmac
Major Champion
Plugged in the rough..........lift, clean and drop
Plugged on the fairway.......lift clean and place
Move on, its only a game
Plugged on the fairway.......lift clean and place
Move on, its only a game
Foxholer
Blackballed
True enough. But exactly the same IS part of the Rules for that sort of condition/event in the 'closely mown area'. How do you resolve that 'inconsistency'/
The alternative is to 'not play' when the course is in a condition where this is likely and that LR is not in place! Dependence on CSS to 'correct' such anomolies is lazy and daft imo!
Yes of course, although your different conditions bit is completely irrelevant to what I'm talking about.
Some clubs adopting the Local Rule while others don't mucks up the alleged equity of the CONGU scheme, doesn't it? Different clubs playing by different Rules effectively...
Only if the Local Rule is in force...
You're missing the point of what I'm saying, and I'm well aware of what handicaps are based on.
Not everything is as black and white in the Rules as some would have us believe...
bobmac
Major Champion
Of course.
And if you're not sure they are in place, play 2 balls and make a reasonable attempt to find out afterw..........wait, that's what you did.
Tick VG
rulefan
Tour Winner
Some clubs play preferred lies in the winter (a local rule), some don't. What is the difference?
rulefan
Tour Winner
So to be consistent throughout the course, should the facility be available for a ball plugged in a bunker?
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Foxholer
Blackballed
No! A bunker is a hazard that you (should) know about before you make your shot. The other 2 are (somewhat) unexpected conditions, only 1 of which is covered in the Rules (all year round).
rulefan
Tour Winner
Of course fairways are inherently different to the rough. The grass is short (usually a lot shorter then the rough). Even after light rain, balls will plug in the softer soil just below the thin blanket of grass. The grass in the rough presents a significant barrier and will slow the ball down so the impact will be gentler.
If the conditions are such that the LR is justified, then fine.
In my experience the problem most encountered is mud on the ball and there is a perfectly good remedy for that. The Lift, Clean and Replace LR which applies through the green.
This avoids the argument about 'placing' on a nice tuft of grass in the rough when the ball was actually sitting down in 4" of grass.
Of course the solution is to persuade your committee that it is a good idea. The RBs have provided the choice.
At present most courses around the world only use the LR when they believe it is needed. If most used it all the time, no doubt the RBs would change rule 25-2.
If the conditions are such that the LR is justified, then fine.
In my experience the problem most encountered is mud on the ball and there is a perfectly good remedy for that. The Lift, Clean and Replace LR which applies through the green.
This avoids the argument about 'placing' on a nice tuft of grass in the rough when the ball was actually sitting down in 4" of grass.
Of course the solution is to persuade your committee that it is a good idea. The RBs have provided the choice.
At present most courses around the world only use the LR when they believe it is needed. If most used it all the time, no doubt the RBs would change rule 25-2.
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