Down_The_Middle
Head Pro
H.I.D and myself went up the range tonight.Thought I would have a go with her driver(yonex 250 offset 12* thing). I was hitting this the same distance and straighter than my Nike sumo 10.5*
Driver Comparison
- Thread starter Down_The_Middle
- Start date
GB72
Money List Winner
I am not that surprised. I started with a 13 degree driver but naively thought I could get more distance out of a lower loft. Bought a Sumo SQ 10.5 degree and lost a bit of distance and a chunk of accuracy so am now back up to a 12 Degree Benross VeloCT and am hitting it as far and as well as I ever have.
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Was told once by a leading tour pro that most average golfers have a driver that is unsuited to them in terms of loft. Most would improve from playing anything from 11 degrees and upwards as there is a lowering of side spin and the greater loft promotes longer carry.
That said, I know a lot of high to mid teen golfers who use the "standard" 10.5 degrees to great acclaim and a number of lower golfers who hit 8.5 or 9 degree clubs. My Callway Big Bertha is 11 degree and when the Cleveland 10.5 (draw) is misbehaving I get it out and there isn't a great difference. The Callaway gets it out there on a higher trajectory but the Cleveland gets it out lower and running which is ideal for the harder Summer fairways.
That said, I know a lot of high to mid teen golfers who use the "standard" 10.5 degrees to great acclaim and a number of lower golfers who hit 8.5 or 9 degree clubs. My Callway Big Bertha is 11 degree and when the Cleveland 10.5 (draw) is misbehaving I get it out and there isn't a great difference. The Callaway gets it out there on a higher trajectory but the Cleveland gets it out lower and running which is ideal for the harder Summer fairways.
TonyN
Money List Winner
I started with a 12* driver and hit it to high, I now use a 10.5* tour head and the other yesterday I hit a decent 260 with it on a flat fairway with little roll!
Its certainly not as consistant as my old 12 but it is a tour head with lower M.O.I for better shot shaping!
Its certainly not as consistant as my old 12 but it is a tour head with lower M.O.I for better shot shaping!
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
I have been custom fit for mine, and it is 9.5 degrees. I have no trouble launching it high and straight.
TWM
Challenge Tour Pro
Do not look at only the loft. DTM's missus will have a ladies' shaft which will give more whip in the swing and a high trajectory. I use a senior or ladies' shaft, senior on my Wilson Staff 11.5* and ladies' on my Mizuno 560 10.5*. They both go about the same distance with similar trajectory.
ob1
Medal Winner
I got a good 220 yards out of my old Dunlop LoCo driver and fairly accurate (if no wind) but with my new Macgrogor driver I would be very lucky if it will reach 200 in a straght line! Considering that LoCo cost less than half of Macgregor, I am quite annoy with the purchase :-(
(Having said that the pro at my driving range whack a good 280 yards with my new driver!...it's just me I am sure)
(Having said that the pro at my driving range whack a good 280 yards with my new driver!...it's just me I am sure)
TonyN
Money List Winner
ha ha just re-read my post ' the other yesterday' must of been undecided on the other day, and yesterday.
Yes the shaft has alot to do with it. When i had my current driver with a green aldila shaft in it, it never produced enough backspin to help keep it airbourne, it just nose dived at 200. With the low kick shaft, it shot out low, penetrating the air and climbing all the way to about 220 before it started its descent and touched down about 240
Yes the shaft has alot to do with it. When i had my current driver with a green aldila shaft in it, it never produced enough backspin to help keep it airbourne, it just nose dived at 200. With the low kick shaft, it shot out low, penetrating the air and climbing all the way to about 220 before it started its descent and touched down about 240
D
Deleted member 1147
Guest
I was told that, in drivers, the loft basically decides how square the clubface is on impact and the shaft stiffness determines height.
As such higher handicappers usually should use higher lofted drivers to assist in squaring up the face on impact as normally they will leave the face open on a driver and squirt it right.
The shaft should be decided by swing speed.
I, like murph, was fitted for my 9.5* tour head. But when I'm not hitting it well it usually leaks right.
As such higher handicappers usually should use higher lofted drivers to assist in squaring up the face on impact as normally they will leave the face open on a driver and squirt it right.
The shaft should be decided by swing speed.
I, like murph, was fitted for my 9.5* tour head. But when I'm not hitting it well it usually leaks right.
GB72
Money List Winner
My current driver has a Grafalloy Platinum shaft that seems to suit my swing nicely, does not go as high as the Blue but not as low as the Red.
TonyN
Money List Winner
Obv I am no expert but I wouldn't have said that a higher lofted club would make the club more square at impact, I would expect this to be down to the moment of inertia technology in each club. Some have higher, some lower. Basically the technology in the clubhead squares up the club more easily. Lower clubs dont, to allow for better shot shaping.
Higher lofted clubs promote less side spin, because more back spin is impossed on the ball. That is why most higher handicappers get on well with ya 12* rather than 9's and 10's. If they dont square the club up then it wont be as disastorous because of the amount of backspin counteracting the sidespin.
The shaft is determained by the swing speed but I think the kick point influences the height and trajectory of the shot. This is only my understanding though and will stand corrected if I am wrong!
D
Deleted member 1147
Guest
Well I'm certainly not an expert on technological matters either!
It's just what I was told by the club pro'.
It's just what I was told by the club pro'.
TonyN
Money List Winner
as bad as each other Gil 
I dont want to sound patronising AT ALL but I just wonder if he had not explained it well enough to you. As my pro told me mechanics behind it, as above ,only I have made a hash at it.
Anyone care to enlighten us? Please
I dont want to sound patronising AT ALL but I just wonder if he had not explained it well enough to you. As my pro told me mechanics behind it, as above ,only I have made a hash at it.
Anyone care to enlighten us? Please
D
Deleted member 1147
Guest
It's probably just me if I'm honest. I'm such a technophobe it's scary, even using this forum is quite adventurous for me!
andiritchie
Journeyman Pro
i think the loft on the club just depends on how you come into the ball to get the correct laugh angle for most carry,i like a low flat flight but with only 8.5 loft it can be hard to square which leads to my trademark block,i have hit a tm tour burner 10.5 with a epic shaft in it gets the same lauch and carry as my 8.5 but i hit that a bit straighter,been getting 270 carry which is pretty decent if it goes straight
RGuk
Tour Winner
All I know is that different lofts have different face angles. So, this comment... "the loft basically decides how square the club-face is on impact" makes sense to me, thinking about it. I don't personally believe that a few degrees changes your chances/skill at squaring the face, but the "natural/actual" face angle is pre-set by the maker.
Most top players draw their drives and therefore a few degrees from the inside (3 or 4) would be best balanced out with a degree or two open at impact. Pros of course will get all sorts of help choosing a suitable face angle. Interestingly, a natural fader of the ball (a pro) will also wish to utilise a degree or two open....weird!!
As for us amateurs.....it's hard to call without the help of a launch monitor and a pro looking at the shape of the shot. I was custom fit for a Callaway 10 degree in reg Aldila Orange 55g. Reg....because my swing is slow-ish. 10 degrees because I get 3-4 degrees extra with my technique (good or bad). I also have a Ping 12 degree (Aldila green 65g) which goes equally as nice......presumably this launches at 2 degress more than the Callaway (approx). It's no great surprise that on some days one seems better than the other. Both have their own characteristics......the Callaway is a degree closed and draw bias and I rarely slice it badly. The Ping is square, flies a bit high but is SO sweet when on form (but I can slice the hell out of it!) . In the winter, the distance is about the same. In the summer, the Callaway goes further.....fact. So, if you've not gone to sleep yet......almost all things are possible.
.....hmm.....back to the menu and cold beer.
Most top players draw their drives and therefore a few degrees from the inside (3 or 4) would be best balanced out with a degree or two open at impact. Pros of course will get all sorts of help choosing a suitable face angle. Interestingly, a natural fader of the ball (a pro) will also wish to utilise a degree or two open....weird!!
As for us amateurs.....it's hard to call without the help of a launch monitor and a pro looking at the shape of the shot. I was custom fit for a Callaway 10 degree in reg Aldila Orange 55g. Reg....because my swing is slow-ish. 10 degrees because I get 3-4 degrees extra with my technique (good or bad). I also have a Ping 12 degree (Aldila green 65g) which goes equally as nice......presumably this launches at 2 degress more than the Callaway (approx). It's no great surprise that on some days one seems better than the other. Both have their own characteristics......the Callaway is a degree closed and draw bias and I rarely slice it badly. The Ping is square, flies a bit high but is SO sweet when on form (but I can slice the hell out of it!) . In the winter, the distance is about the same. In the summer, the Callaway goes further.....fact. So, if you've not gone to sleep yet......almost all things are possible.
.....hmm.....back to the menu and cold beer.
