robinthehood
Hacker
Where did i say it says any thing in the rules ?
Its simply a statment of fact that some DMDs that have slope, also have the option to disable it.
DMD Slope Enabled Match Play
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Where did i say it says any thing in the rules ?
Its simply a statment of fact that some DMDs that have slope, also have the option to disable it.
Swango1980
Well-known member
You said:
"You cant use a DMD with slope function, some have the abilty to disabe it, which make them OK if its disabled..... youre just trying to confuse things"
When reading the bits in bold, it reads that you cannot use them if these features are not disabled. If this was the case, presumably this is in the rules? I was seeking clarification on this. If a golfer was using a rangefinder that could toggle between distance and slope adjusted distance, could they be disqualified, even if they said they didn't use the Slope Adjusted feature? This is why I found your comment confusing.
Surely the easy answer is simply, you can use a DMD advice to measure distance, but if it includes other features such as measuring for slope, these must not be used.
chrisd
Major Champion
It's against the rules as posted by rulie to use a dmd that reads elevation changes, so, if it cant be toggled to 'off' then it would be against the rules if 8t showed an adjusted reading etc and I assume a DQ if done more than once. It's ok to use any dmd in a competition that isn't showing those things that rulie posted under NOT ALLOWED. It really is that simple
Swango1980
Well-known member
The rule refers to what a player is allowed and not allowed to do with equipment. It doesn't say anything about the specifications of the equipment? The reason I looked into this previously, is that there were at least 3 or 4 Bushnell devices sold for hundreds of quid on American Golf that would get you disqualified under that condition (only one actually said slope could be turned off).
However, I agree in the sense that if one simply showed everything on one screen, than that would not be acceptable as the player can see it. The device I saw, as I said, just required a flick of the same button to toggle back and forth (i.e. no off button so to speak, just a toggle button). So, had a player used this device, I would in no way be comfortable about DQing them, especially if they said they didn't use that feature. Had they admitted to using that feature, then they could be penalised under the rules
Swango1980
Well-known member
Cheers for digging that out, that is what I suspected
chrisd
Major Champion
And confirms what we have been saying
Swango1980
Well-known member
Well, it doesn't at all, because the issue I objected to was this feature being turned off, which I believe is what you were saying. There is nothing that says this to my knowledge, and seems to have been confirmed by Traminator's post
chrisd
Major Champion
To be fair you could start an argument in a phone box alone.
robinthehood
Hacker
Er but there is more than just bold bit.... But at this point, I have no idea what your point is anyway.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Don't worry, I didn't expect you to get it. It is cleared up now anyway
robinthehood
Hacker
hombre_paulo
Medal Winner
Well that got heated. Thanks for the responses all
mashleyR7
Journeyman Pro
I don't read many threads to the end but this could of been tied up up very quickly if it wasn't for some weirdos arguing a very simple rule.
Swango1980 appears to be able to argue until the cows come home!
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Mine has slope on it.
It’s useless anyway Most of the time it’s only +-3yds not many handicap players are that accurate.
I never use it.
It quite clearly has a hi viz orange background on the on/ off slide switch.
So you can see quite clearly if it’s on.
When you turn it off you can’t see any orange.
rulie
Head Pro
Does this link work? It's supposed to link to R&A document of DMDs
https://news.randa.org/49MT-XPJC-H86MS-RINBQ-1/c.aspx
https://news.randa.org/49MT-XPJC-H86MS-RINBQ-1/c.aspx
rulefan
Tour Winner
The clause at the bottom USE ADDITIONAL CARE is pertinent.
Further, from the Q & As
Q. What kind of distance-measuring devices are allowed by Rule 4.3a(1)?
A GPS, laser, smart phone, any really – provided the device meets certain guidelines and recommendations. The important thing to remember is that the device must only be used to access and measure permitted information. The player would be in breach of the Rules if the device is used to access prohibited information, such as elevation changes and club recommendation features. Even if a device has the ability to provide information that is prohibited, a player is still only in breach of Rule 4.3a(1) if he or she uses the device to access the prohibited information.
Further, from the Q & As
Q. What kind of distance-measuring devices are allowed by Rule 4.3a(1)?
A GPS, laser, smart phone, any really – provided the device meets certain guidelines and recommendations. The important thing to remember is that the device must only be used to access and measure permitted information. The player would be in breach of the Rules if the device is used to access prohibited information, such as elevation changes and club recommendation features. Even if a device has the ability to provide information that is prohibited, a player is still only in breach of Rule 4.3a(1) if he or she uses the device to access the prohibited information.
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badgergm
Newbie
Which is potentially at odds with the rule itself? The rule states that measuring is not allowed. But you are allowed to measure, if you don’t access that information? I guess it’s possible the device measures both distance and elevation, and presents the information, or not, according to subsequent selections?
