Did You Vote Today?

[FairwayDodger]

I don't want to get too political but in my 25 years of having my own business (very small one) I would never have contemplated employing a women of child bearing age and I think that view is shared by a large number of small business employers.

Wow, and you unashamedly boast about it on here? As if this discrimination was in some way valid or justified....?

 

[FairwayDodger]

I did vote, but was taken aback by the large selection of far right fascist parties on the ballot.

Chrisd would probably have found it hard to choose which one to vote for.

 

[SocketRocket]

Lots of reasons folk put up for not voting - mostly IMO spurious - but I voted because those most likely to vote in these such elections are those with the more extreme views. And if those of us not of that parish don't vote, then we get the representatives we deserve but who most certainly don't represent us.

So you are the authority on what views are extreme? Would that be people with a different view to you then.

Regarding UKIP, a lot of people in this country will vote for them, does this mean they are all swivel eyed fruitcakes or people that have genuine concerns for the direction the current politic is taking us?

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

So you are the authority on what views are extreme? Would that be people with a different view to you then.

Regarding UKIP, a lot of people in this country will vote for them, does this mean they are all swivel eyed fruitcakes or people that have genuine concerns for the direction the current politic is taking us?

Swivel eyed fruitcakes

 

[SocketRocket]

That decision is yours obviously, but do you not think it is sexist?

If it is a matter that is decided by sex then it must be sexist.

Large organisations, especially government employers will have the numbers and resource to deal with these loss of staff. Small employers and these are the people that employ most people in the country cant always cope with staff taking long periods off work. This is especially true where employees are highly skilled and part of long term projects in these small companies.

OK, there is the case that people can become ill and this is a valid argument but you would also be wary of employing someone with a degenerating illness on such projects. These type of things can destroy a small business and although I understand people feeling groups like Women of child bearing age should not be prejudiced against I can also understand the problem Employers of small to medium organisations face.

 

[brendy]

That's Basil McCrea's party isn't it?

For now yea! Thing is that so many people vote for one to keep the other out. These guys are a real alternative that if successful over the years could push the 'them and us' parties into the shadows and let us get on with fixing this place rather than only doing what makes them look less bad.

 

[LanDog]

For now yea! Thing is that so many people vote for one to keep the other out. These guys are a real alternative that if successful over the years could push the 'them and us' parties into the shadows and let us get on with fixing this place rather than only doing what makes them look less bad.

They remind me of a more radical Alliance in a way, a good friend of mine is standing for council for Alliance in Omagh so he got my vote

 

[Papas1982]

If it is a matter that is decided by sex then it must be sexist.

Large organisations, especially government employers will have the numbers and resource to deal with these loss of staff. Small employers and these are the people that employ most people in the country cant always cope with staff taking long periods off work. This is especially true where employees are highly skilled and part of long term projects in these small companies.

OK, there is the case that people can become ill and this is a valid argument but you would also be wary of employing someone with a degenerating illness on such projects. These type of things can destroy a small business and although I understand people feeling groups like Women of child bearing age should not be prejudiced against I can also understand the problem Employers of small to medium organisations face.

i agree. I wonder if we were all to recall, what percentage of woman, having had children came back to work the exact same role as they had before they left? An employee should be able to employ who they believe is best for the company long term. Maybe that is sexist, but it's also practical. I wonder how many people here would find it odd if men were to take the full paternity and women rush back to work? I bet quite a few, even if they won't admit it, still consider that the woman should be able to work part time as they have a motherly role to play. Surely that's sexist too? Surely it should just be a parental role?

 

[drawboy]

Hid and I voted yesterday. Voting is a hard won fight for democratic countries like ours. Millions have died worldwide so people can choose who leads their countries. Yes, we all know they are all as bad as each other but what is the alternative? Ruling classes worldwide either born into it, overthrown or voted for are all the same. They line their own pockets and do not care about the electorate once in power.
This will never change. Democracies are as bad as Communist states. We are all like Oliver looking in the window while the Beadle feasts and throws scraps at us.
55 million pounds per day is given to Europe. Why? What for? The reason UKIP has done so well is that no one knows the answer and the ruling parties do not want to tell us. UKIP goes beyond racism, yes no doubt there is an elememt of basic rascism in their policies but there is also the desire to blow apart the corruption and money launderring that goes on in Europe with your and my tax deductions.

 

[SaintHacker]

I can't plan for the extra pay she'll cost me, then all the extra time off when one of the kids are sick and the fact she might only return to work for a few weeks before deciding to have another child, then another and then, after taking all the maternity pay, decide not to come back anyway.

I always hired the right candidate, they just always happened to be older men!

And not a single Brighton fan among them!

 

[SaintHacker]

I noticed on our ballot form we had a Roman Party. Only had one name against it and no idea what they stood for. I suppose they would get the roads sorted out, and if they pledged to bring back gladiators I would have voted for them without hesitation! (and no, not the tv program before anyone asks!)

 

[Beezerk]

Just about to... and is it safe to say it will be a protest vote - UKIP.

Surprised at you mate, bunch of dangerous buffoons IMO.
Didn't vote myself as it's the same situation as Dave really, Labour round my way with a massive majority so couldn't be bothered.

 

[chrisd]

Don't worry, I doubt any intelligent women would want to work for you anyway.

Like most micro businesses I can't afford the extra costs that some comes from Government policy.

Wow, and you unashamedly boast about it on here? As if this discrimination was in some way valid or justified....?

If you Google " not employing women of child bearing age" you'll see that reports say 25% of companies will follow this policy. It was a fact not a boast.

I did vote, but was taken aback by the large selection of far right fascist parties on the ballot.

Chrisd would probably have found it hard to choose which one to vote for.

I am not in any way far right or a fascist, I have never had more than 6 employees ( usually 5) and have managed to pay everyone their wages,on time every week for 25 years, but the business, particularly during the recession, could not have survived had we had maternity pay to cover as well as the cover staff necessary to run the business.one of my staff had 14 weeks off sick recently and I paid his wages in full every week!

To be fair, I only had the balls to say what a lot of small business employers do.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Like most micro businesses I can't afford the extra costs that some comes from Government policy.



If you Google " not employing women of child bearing age" you'll see that reports say 25% of companies will follow this policy. It was a fact not a boast.



I am not in any way far right or a fascist, I have never had more than 6 employees ( usually 5) and have managed to pay everyone their wages,on time every week for 25 years, but the business, particularly during the recession, could not have survived had we had maternity pay to cover as well as the cover staff necessary to run the business.one of my staff had 14 weeks off sick recently and I paid his wages in full every week!

To be fair, I only had the balls to say what a lot of small business employers do.

You know you can reclaim 92% of the SMP paid, yeh?

 

[Hacker Khan]

Like most micro businesses I can't afford the extra costs that some comes from Government policy.

If you Google " not employing women of child bearing age" you'll see that reports say 25% of companies will follow this policy. It was a fact not a boast.

I am not in any way far right or a fascist, I have never had more than 6 employees ( usually 5) and have managed to pay everyone their wages,on time every week for 25 years, but the business, particularly during the recession, could not have survived had we had maternity pay to cover as well as the cover staff necessary to run the business.one of my staff had 14 weeks off sick recently and I paid his wages in full every week!

To be fair, I only had the balls to say what a lot of small business employers do.

You do know you are coming across as a parody of a sexist pig?

 

[FairwayDodger]

Like most micro businesses I can't afford the extra costs that some comes from Government policy.



If you Google " not employing women of child bearing age" you'll see that reports say 25% of companies will follow this policy. It was a fact not a boast.



I am not in any way far right or a fascist, I have never had more than 6 employees ( usually 5) and have managed to pay everyone their wages,on time every week for 25 years, but the business, particularly during the recession, could not have survived had we had maternity pay to cover as well as the cover staff necessary to run the business.one of my staff had 14 weeks off sick recently and I paid his wages in full every week!

To be fair, I only had the balls to say what a lot of small business employers do.

Blatant discrimination, as bad as someone who would refuse to consider a candidate based on their religion or ethnicity. Rationalise it all you like, your excuses are not valid, shame on you.

 

[CMAC]

You know you can reclaim 92% of the SMP paid, yeh?

I don't think he wants to know! Totally blinkered and ridiculous male chauvinist attitude.

The poster who said any intelligent women wouldn't work for him is spot on!

 

[CMAC]

I can't plan for the extra pay she'll cost me, then all the extra time off when one of the kids are sick and the fact she might only return to work for a few weeks before deciding to have another child, then another and then, after taking all the maternity pay, decide not to come back anyway.

I always hired the right candidate, they just always happened to be older men!

As I assume (probably correctly) that you didn't even consider a female of child bearing age then you have no idea you hired the right candidate, you hired the right man for you out of a very small pool.

Mind if I ask whats your business? as there is legislation where its legal for certain size business's and areas of expertise to legally discriminate and for reasons I understand.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Like most micro businesses I can't afford the extra costs that some comes from Government policy.



If you Google " not employing women of child bearing age" you'll see that reports say 25% of companies will follow this policy. It was a fact not a boast.



I am not in any way far right or a fascist, I have never had more than 6 employees ( usually 5) and have managed to pay everyone their wages,on time every week for 25 years, but the business, particularly during the recession, could not have survived had we had maternity pay to cover as well as the cover staff necessary to run the business.one of my staff had 14 weeks off sick recently and I paid his wages in full every week!

To be fair, I only had the balls to say what a lot of small business employers do.

You also know that many more much more successful businesses than yours have flourished by employing women? What is the cut off for women of child bearing age then as women have babies into their 40s nowadays.

Call me an idealist but I'd like to live in a world where my young daughter when she grows up has a fair chance of getting a job without being discriminated against for the only reason of being female. And anyone who doesn't believe that, including UKIP and the others who basically practice politics of fear and whose policies are essentially slightly disguised racism and sexism, can go and do one. IMHO of course

 

[User20205]

You do know you are coming across as a parody of a sexist pig?

Blatant discrimination, as bad as someone who would refuse to consider a candidate based on their religion or ethnicity. Rationalise it all you like, your excuses are not valid, shame on you.

In Chris' defence, he's not alone in following this policy. I have a couple of friends who privately state the same.

It doesn't make it right, however it's the economic reality of running a small business.

I'm not sure we can judge and be idealistic until we've tried to balance his books.