CSS again - sorry

[Captainron]

Played in the July medal last weekend. 161 entrants in the comp. Winning score was a nett 66. I had had a few mare holes and ended up with a nett 78.

CSS came in at 72 for the comp which I think is very low considering that only 26 players achieved nett 72 or better. Standard Par is 72 and SSS is also 72.

My 78 was 93rd (the highest placed 78 was 82nd) so there were plenty of players who struggled on the day.

I thought (correct me please) that CSS was meant to reflect the difficulty on the day? Surely CSS should have been a bit higher than 72?

 

[Hosel Fade]

Without going into the full calculation CSS works off of percentage of field buffering and not how many shoot 36 points or what the best/worst scores are.

 

[rosecott]

Played in the July medal last weekend. 161 entrants in the comp. Winning score was a nett 66. I had had a few mare holes and ended up with a nett 78.

CSS came in at 72 for the comp which I think is very low considering that only 26 players achieved nett 72 or better. Standard Par is 72 and SSS is also 72.

My 78 was 93rd (the highest placed 78 was 82nd) so there were plenty of players who struggled on the day.

I thought (correct me please) that CSS was meant to reflect the difficulty on the day? Surely CSS should have been a bit higher than 72?

Without going into the full calculation CSS works off of percentage of field buffering and not how many shoot 36 points or what the best/worst scores are.

As Hosel Fade says, CSS is the product of the proportion of the field achieving buffer or better. Repeat of what I have posted some time ago (probably more than once):

"Competition Scratch Score (CSS) springs from the proportion of players in a competition achieving buffer or better.

For a course with Par 72 and SSS 72, the approximate proportions and resultant CSS are:

46% and over = CSS 71 (37 points)
23 to 45% = CSS 72 (36 points)
16 to 22% = CSS 73 (35 points)
10 to 15% = CSS 74 (34 points)
6 to 9% = CSS 75 (33 points)

Less than 6% =CSS 75 (33 points) (Reductions Only)"

 

[backwoodsman]

I know the calculation is a bit involved, involving h/c categories and percentages buffering etc - but in very simplistic terms, it seemed to me that with at least 93 players (about 58% of the field) being within 6 shots of SSS didn't smack of the course playing tough?

So i just checked our last medal result - and 57.7% of the field were within 6 shots of SSS and CSS remained same as SSS. Coincidence? Possibly. Overly simplistic? Certainly. But rather indicative that the outcome of yours wasn't unusual.

 

[backwoodsman]

And done a bit more checking ...

Our last but one medal, 58% got within six shots of SSS - CSS not change. The last time CSS went up by 1, only 50% got within the 6 shots of SSS, and the last time it went up by 2 only 40% got with the six.

As i say, far too simplistic, but certainly indicative that yours was normal.

 

[Captainron]

Thanks for the replies guys.

 

[chrisd]

I quite understand that CSS is calculated on how easy or difficult the course played on the day but couldn't they just find a way to factor in where my swing was that day?

 

[ScienceBoy]

Always good to check these things occasionally, if we didn't how would we know if it was right or not?

 

[rosecott]

I quite understand that CSS is calculated on how easy or difficult the course played on the day but couldn't they just find a way to factor in where my swing was that day?

I don't think any of the sciences could manage that.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I still maintain CSS doesn't successfully meet its goal of adjusting SSS to reflect playing conditions.

I played a county comp at my home course this week. 60-odd players. It was raining in the morning but very little wind and the greens have been softened up by lots of rain recently.

By the time I played the rain had stopped and the greens were soft and receptive. It was by far the easiest playing conditions round there for weeks and yet CSS went to reductions only.

 

[MendieGK]

I still maintain CSS doesn't successfully meet its goal of adjusting SSS to reflect playing conditions.

I played a county comp at my home course this week. 60-odd players. It was raining in the morning but very little wind and the greens have been softened up by lots of rain recently.

By the time I played the rain had stopped and the greens were soft and receptive. It was by far the easiest playing conditions round there for weeks and yet CSS went to reductions only.

Never moan about reductions only events

 

[FairwayDodger]

Never moan about reductions only events

With a 0.6 cut I'm delighted! Just seems like cheating tho!

 

[MendieGK]

With a 0.6 cut I'm delighted! Just seems like cheating tho!

thats why we enter these big events!!

 

[Jacko_G]

I went to one of the SGU course rating events and did the introduction day to become a course rater. Never seen such a bonkers idiotic system in all my life.

CSS is just a number made up by dithering idiots using a bizarre formula consisting of two imaginary golfers which takes into consideration some factors but not all. Utter madness.

 

[rosecott]

I went to one of the SGU course rating events and did the introduction day to become a course rater. Never seen such a bonkers idiotic system in all my life.

CSS is just a number made up by dithering idiots using a bizarre formula consisting of two imaginary golfers which takes into consideration some factors but not all. Utter madness.

I'm sure your experience and considered opinions would be invaluable to the national unions who would welcome your contribution.

 

[Captainron]

I'm sure your experience and considered opinions would be invaluable to the national unions who would welcome your contribution.

Are you an imaginary golfer Jim?

 

[rosecott]

Are you an imaginary golfer Jim?

Hoi, on the same day you were shooting an obviously lucky nett 78, I shot 43 points.

 

[chrisd]

I shot 43 points.

Did you have your dappled pony tethered in the car park Jim? 😁

 

[duncan mackie]

Did you have your dappled pony tethered in the car park Jim? 😁

:whoo: :thup:

 

[TheJezster]

Thought I would resurrect this rather than start a new thread.

Does CSS now take into account everyone in the field, including cat 4 players?

I ask because for 2 weeks running now our comps have been a CSS 3 under par! SSS is 66 and CSS us usually that too but on occasion goes to 67 but has also come down to 65 lately a lot.

How many would it take to miss buffer for it to go down like that?

Thanks