Crossfield lesson

Qwerty said:
Ive no doubt that he works hard but Building an internet presence wouldn't quite cut it for me.
I'd want to know his pedigree as an out and out Teaching pro/ coach, who's he's worked with & does he have a good reputation locally as a teaching pro.

No doubt he's got a talent for making videos but I'd want to know if he's got a track record for lowering handicaps, is the up and coming talent in the area knocking on his door etc.

He may be a great teaching pro, I don't know.. But having looked online Theres nothing to suggest he's built a reputation as one.
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Aren't the videos he does all the proof someone needs to make up their mind on if they think he's worth it or not? Fair enough if people think he's talking rubbish after watching them. But unlike just about every other coach he's putting his lessons online as well as his individual swing fixes which some others do. And as such I would argue he's probably the most transparent coach to make an assessment on there is.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Aren't the videos he does all the proof someone needs to make up their mind on if they think he's worth it or not? Fair enough if people think he's talking rubbish after watching them. But unlike just about every other coach he's putting his lessons online as well as his individual swing fixes which some others do. And as such I would argue he's probably the most transparent coach to make an assessment on there is.
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agreed!

If I was local to him I would absolutely book a lesson- he communicates well and really knows his stuff, surround that with latest tech and real ball flight its a no brainer to me.
 
I really like the way he questions the fundamentals... it's not that he says that they are wrong but that he has an open minded outlook on things; IE he knows the ABC ways of playing (he himself says he was taught textbook golf) but that there are essentially many way of playing. IE one of his recent videos showed him hitting target but doing it with some flawed fundamentals with grip and club path.

He doesn't do this to show they are a lot of rubbish but more to get you understanding what is actually happening and how to think with regards to changing swing and connection problems.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Aren't the videos he does all the proof someone needs to make up their mind on if they think he's worth it or not?
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:rofl:Are you trying to tell me that the average golfer can deduce whether a teaching pro is good or not by watching him give lessons on YouTube?I've seen 6/7 pros over the last 15 years and I couldn't.

I could make my mind up whether I liked him and does he communicate well and sell himself well, But whether he's a good teaching pro.. I couldn't. You must have much more experience than me.
 
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Qwerty said:
Are you trying to tell me that the average golfer can deduce whether a teaching pro is good or not by watching him give lessons on YouTube?I've seen 6/7 pros over the last 15 years and I couldn't.I could make my mind up whether I liked him and does he communicate well and sell himself well, But whether he's a good teaching pro.. I couldn't. You must have much more experience than me.
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From watching his live lessons videos then yes I have a pretty good idea if he would work for me or not and be a good coach for me. Just as much as you would get from knowing his students have dropped their handicaps, as that could be down to many things, some of which could be good tuition, but also there are other factors such as the fact the students had the time to practice once they had been given new ideas, natural ability to start with etc etc. And in Crossfields example then you'd kind of think that it would have come out by now and he would have been found out if he is not that good a coach. As being a good coach kind of what his whole business is built on.
 
bluewolf said:
I think Gaz is talking about Michael Bannon.. Ror's coach..

I reckon Tiger's new "consultant" would have been even cheaper a few years ago..
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Well I read that Pelz charges $20,000 a day, Haney is $15,000 a day and Leadbetter is $3500 for 3 hours. So I suspect Bannon is missing out on a trick there. ;)
 
Interesting. I think I might know what I want for Christmas off the other half now. I've got a few hours trek to where he's based but I'd be interested in a session with him.

I just really like his style of teaching. I've had a few coaches that were all about hitting specific positions and it's never really worked for me. More to do with me and the way I learn I suspect rather than them. I like that he gives you a thought or feeling that gets you to hit those positions and then can back the results up with the technology.

Also I'm a big geek so all those gadgets are right up my street:D
 
Westy said:
Interesting. I think I might know what I want for Christmas off the other half now. I've got a few hours trek to where he's based but I'd be interested in a session with him.

I just really like his style of teaching. I've had a few coaches that were all about hitting specific positions and it's never really worked for me. More to do with me and the way I learn I suspect rather than them. I like that he gives you a thought or feeling that gets you to hit those positions and then can back the results up with the technology.

Also I'm a big geek so all those gadgets are right up my street:D
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I'd argue it's also the competence of the coach. I'm exactly like you in that I prefer thoughts and feelings to someone telling me my right arm should be straight, my club should be parallel to the ground at this time etc etc and then showing me a video of me not doing those things and basically telling me to do them. As with the best will in the world I can use a V1 Golf app for a couple of quid and work a lot of that out myself. It's how you change it which makes all the difference between an average pro and an excellent one.
 
Hacker Khan said:
I'd argue it's also the competence of the coach. I'm exactly like you in that I prefer thoughts and feelings to someone telling me my right arm should be straight, my club should be parallel to the ground at this time etc etc and then showing me a video of me not doing those things and basically telling me to do them. As with the best will in the world I can use a V1 Golf app for a couple of quid and work a lot of that out myself. It's how you change it which makes all the difference between an average pro and an excellent one.
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Yeah I kind of agree. Was being kind to my past coaches in case they read the forum as I still talk to most of them. :swing:
 
Hacker Khan said:
h. As being a good coach kind of what his whole business is built on.
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Never seen his lesson vids, watched some club reviews.

I'd argue your point above, being an Internet "celebrity" is pretty much what his business is built on.

3 hours is some lesson, be interesting to see what is all covered.
 
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