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Crash Dieting

Maninblack4612 said:
Carbs are the enemy. Have a look at this:


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Eat-Fat-Get...d=1429104074&sr=8-1&keywords=eat+fat+get+thin
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I'm sorry but that first line you have written is absolute cr*p.

The whole cutting out carbs thing is tosh!

If you are eating lots of fruit and veg as you should be with a healthy eating regime, they are full of carbs. drives me crazy when people constantly go on about cutting carbs.

Bottom line is, create a calorie deficit (myfitnesspal is great for keeping tabs on this) and you will lose weight.
 
MendieGK said:
I'm sorry but that first line you have written is absolute cr*p.

The whole cutting out carbs thing is tosh!

If you are eating lots of fruit and veg as you should be with a healthy eating regime, they are full of carbs. drives me crazy when people constantly go on about cutting carbs.

Bottom line is, create a calorie deficit (myfitnesspal is great for keeping tabs on this) and you will lose weight.
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It's not, but you are half right. Cutting carbs like bread pasta and rice helps big time but you should still be getting carb content from fruit and vegetables.
 
Val said:
It's not, but you are half right. Cutting carbs like bread pasta and rice helps big time but you should still be getting carb content from fruit and vegetables.
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So your not cutting carbs!?!?! you are eating the correct carbs....
even the things you mention get a bad name when they don't deserve it.

Its like saying the same about cutting Fat from your diet - deep fried chips etc yes, but fat from meat and nuts - no.

I'm sorry, The whole thing really gets me going.

People should be educated to eat properly, Fad diets are absolutely not the way to go about it.

eat less than your body requires and you will lose weight...end of
 
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Maninblack4612 said:
Carbs are the enemy. Have a look at this:


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Eat-Fat-Get...d=1429104074&sr=8-1&keywords=eat+fat+get+thin
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MendieGK said:
I'm sorry but that first line you have written is absolute cr*p.

The whole cutting out carbs thing is tosh!

If you are eating lots of fruit and veg as you should be with a healthy eating regime, they are full of carbs. drives me crazy when people constantly go on about cutting carbs.

Bottom line is, create a calorie deficit (myfitnesspal is great for keeping tabs on this) and you will lose weight.
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Ever considered that reducing both could be a better way to go? :whistle:
 
MendieGK said:
So your not cutting carbs!?!?! you are eating the correct carbs....
even the things you mention get a bad name when they don't deserve it.

Its like saying the same about cutting Fat from your diet - deep fried chips etc yes, but fat from meat and nuts - no.

I'm sorry, The whole thing really gets me going.

People should be educated to eat properly, Fad diets are absolutely not the way to go about it.

eat less than your body requires and you will lose weight...end of
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I'm not disagreeing, too many people say they are cutting carbs out when what they really mean is they are ditching bread etc. these carbs aren't good for you but like you say good carbs from veg etc are good if not essential

Bottom line is eat in moderation and you'll be fine
 
MendieGK said:
eat less than your body requires and you will lose weight...end of
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That's not entirely correct. Eat less what?

For example, what's the difference between eating 1000 calories of sugar versus 1000 calories of steak? Technically both are "less energy" than the body needs in a day but they will have different effects on the body.
 
Jimaroid said:
That's not entirely correct. Eat less what?

For example, what's the difference between eating 1000 calories of sugar versus 1000 calories of steak? Technically both are "less energy" than the body needs in a day but they will have different effects on the body.
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Minimal difference. Calories in versus calories out.
 
A few tips from me after losing weight over the past year

Cut down on simple sugars - in drinks, cakes, biscuits, processed food, check ingredients - it's amazing what it goes into. It's hard to do if you go fully cold turkey
Pasta, rice, potatos & bread - cut them out if you can, curry is better without rice anyway
If you can't cut them out try eating pasta and rice cold or let it cool and then reheat - the cooling is supposed to greatly reduce the GI
Snack / Breakfast on trail mix (a couple of small handfulls)
You can still run in the dark - I prefer it to running in the day especially as it's starting to get warmer
Google 'HIIT', gives you a very good work out in a short period of time.
Don't drink carbonated (soft) drinks, even diet / low calorie ones
Drink more water
Sleep well
Don't take lifts, take the stairs

Hope it goes well
 
MendieGK said:
I'm sorry but that first line you have written is absolute cr*p.

The whole cutting out carbs thing is tosh!

If you are eating lots of fruit and veg as you should be with a healthy eating regime, they are full of carbs. drives me crazy when people constantly go on about cutting carbs.

Bottom line is, create a calorie deficit (myfitnesspal is great for keeping tabs on this) and you will lose weight.
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Read the book, it explains why excess carbs lead to weight gain & how eating saturated fat can help you lose weight. My wife lost loads of weight on a high fat, low carb diet and, believe it or not, it's healthy. All carbs, in whatever form, are converted into sugars & stored as fat. The book also explains how measuring food in terms of calorie content is deeply flawed.
 
That book is a version of the Atkins Diet, the high protein/low to no carbs diet which Americans fell for a few years ago. The theory is that carbs stimulate insulin, so if you deprive the body of carbs it will metabolise fat instead. This should result in weight loss. There are lots of anecdotes about how effective it is, but large scientific studies have shown that it doesn't really do much special, and that most of the effect is due to the greater feeling of fullness from protein-heavy foods and an overall reduction in calorie intake. Scientists not trying to sell books still maintain that calorie count is important.

As for the author cited by MiB, Barry Groves, he was a nutcase. Read his webpage:

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk
 
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Ethan said:
That book is a version of the Atkins Diet, the high protein/low to no carbs diet which Americans fell for a few years ago. The theory is that carbs stimulate insulin, so if you deprive the body of carbs it will metabolise fat instead. This should result in weight loss. There are lots of anecdotes about how effective it is, but large scientific studies have shown that it doesn't really do much special, and that most of the effect is due to the greater feeling of fullness from protein-heavy foods and an overall reduction in calorie intake. Scientists not trying to sell books still maintain that calorie count is important.

As for the author cited by MiB, Barry Groves, he was a nutcase. Read his webpage:

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk
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Agreed about low carb and personally it only ever worked for me because it limited my choices and therefore I ate less calories. There is an element of feeling fuller due to the protein content too but overall it came down to CICO. Recently I've set my macros to 40/40/20 (c/p/f) and the balance is easier to maintain, more enjoyable and for me more successful.

I'm a firm believer in moderation and if it fits your macros :-)
 
Maninblack4612 said:
Not again, Ethan! You'll be telling us next that high cholesterol is a risk factor in heart disease.
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High LDL to HDL ratio most certainly is a risk factor, one of a number of such risk factors.

Did you see the list of conditions Groves (an electrical engineer, by the way) thought he could cure. Pretty much everything apart from shanking and 3 putting.
 
Got first hand experience of losing weight at Christmas I had a blood clot on each lung and pneumonia and lost 19lbs in weight in five days I did put the weight back on took about 8 weeks, then I had acute pancreatitis and lost 22lbs in a fortnight while I was in hospital can't recommend either try a low fat diet you can eat loads, good luck with diet.
 
No expert whatsoever on diets but losing weight is amazingly simple.

You eat less and exercise more.

Some good tips.
Porridge for breakfast, fruit for lunch, decent early evening meal.
No snacks in between
Eat nothing after 7pm.
Drink 2ltrs of waters a day half a glass when you feel hungry.
Half a glass before going to bed.

20 mins of rough exercise a day, quick walking/steps etc.

No gym no fancy dan diets... save a fortune and feel better.
 
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