Course ban on Adidas Adizero shoes....

[DAVEYBOY]

Can I carry on playing if I strap a couple of tennis racquets to my feet to spread the weight?

I'm not sure if they will pass the dress code I'm afraid. Maybe bring a set of ski's incase :thup:

Maybe TM could bring out some Ski's that are powered by Rocket fuel or something similar. Perhaps they could be called Speed Blades? They would be great you could SLDR around the course on them...

 

[Dave B]

I've just got my Adizero's out a pair of Puma GTX and my Footjoy Superlites.

The Adidas have 10 cleats seated on a raised footing which leave the cleats between 10mm and 12mm from the sole.

The sole of the shoe is totally flat with no raised rubber spikes/grips between the cleats to help support the sole. All of the weight is on the studs and the sole is narrower than the other two shoes.

The Puma has 8 studs but more importantly there is an abundance of rubber spikes/grips on the sole which helps to take the weight of the shoe meaning that the spikes are only raised 5.3mm from the rubber supporting spikes/grips.

The Footjoys have 6 cleats but again have an abundance of rubber spikes/grips to help support the shoe so that the cleats are only raised 6.7mm

Because all of your weight is borne by the spikes of the Adidas, without any other support on soft greens the spikes can sink 12mm into the green whereas with the other designs you are looking at 5.3mm and 6.7mm respectively.

They definitely leave a noticeably deeper imprint on soft greens and another point I would highlight is that the spike design does not help as they are hard and have a longer than standard spike length. The Footjoys have soft spikes and although the Puma spikes are as hard as the Adidas they aren't as long and have a flatter design that is kinder to the greens.

In summary I have found that the Adidas do leave a deeper imprint and can cause more damage to soft greens than a similar shoe design. They do have superb grip but so do the other two shoes.

I do like the comfort and style however with the adverse publicity I do think that Adidas should design a specific set of spikes that are suitable for use on winter greens and that would solve the problem.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I wonder if the damage our greenkeepers found on our greens was not actually what they thought it was i.e. general build up of ice on the soft spikes of any old shoe - but rather linked to this shoe. I'll snap a pic of the picture showing the damage to our greens that is in our entrance hall. Big and deep intentations - like unrepaired pitch marks.

 

[jimbob.someroo]

Just an update to let you all know that our club has ended up banning Adizero's for the foreseeable future.

http://egcagronomy.blogspot.co.uk

Personally, the picture on the site looks like the marks the shoes have been making when ice has gathered on the spikes, but nonetheless can see the reasoning behind. You only have to look at the picture to see the reasoning to be fair ...

Footjoy's through the winter for me!

 

[CMAC]

Just an update to let you all know that our club has ended up banning Adizero's for the foreseeable future.

http://egcagronomy.blogspot.co.uk

Personally, the picture on the site looks like the marks the shoes have been making when ice has gathered on the spikes, but nonetheless can see the reasoning behind. You only have to look at the picture to see the reasoning to be fair ...

Footjoy's through the winter for me!

ice has gathered on any shoe I've ever worn, seems a tad OTT of your club to say its Adizero only.

 

[jimbob.someroo]

ice has gathered on any shoe I've ever worn, seems a tad OTT of your club to say its Adizero only.

Yup, but am only guessing on that pic. Mine have been leaving big marks (not as big as that) without ice hence me putting them away for the winter. Only thing I will say re:ice is that my FJ's aren't as raised off the ground as Dave B talks about in post 202 which means that a sheet of ice is created, as opposed to 10 definite lumps.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Just an update to let you all know that our club has ended up banning Adizero's for the foreseeable future.

http://egcagronomy.blogspot.co.uk

Personally, the picture on the site looks like the marks the shoes have been making when ice has gathered on the spikes, but nonetheless can see the reasoning behind. You only have to look at the picture to see the reasoning to be fair ...

Footjoy's through the winter for me!

Blimey, that is pretty bad. I've never seen anything like that at our place but then I've never seen anyone wearing Adizeros. It's interesting that they say there has been a lot of talk in the greenkeeping world, I wonder how many more clubs have taken this step?

 

[car.crash]

Cheap shoes for the rest of us now

 

[shivas irons]

I mentioned to a local pro the other day the problem people were having with these shoes and he said the worst issue with them is changing the plastic spikes, apparently when you need to replace them its virtually impossible to replace the spikes and some shoes have had to be replaced, has anybody had this issue?

 

[BTatHome]

Crikey never seem anything like that when wearing them. Doesn't even look like spikes shape to me, as said above they look like have ice/frost stick to them as the shape looks rounded rather than flat.

 

[Durango]

The exact same marks are made on our greens when ice collects on the spikes, it's not one particular shoe that does it.

 

[williamalex1]

Can the spikes be changed on the new Adizero tours to a different type, anyone know???

 

[BTatHome]

Can the spikes be changed on the new Adizero tours to a different type, anyone know???

No reason why they can't be changed ... but no reason to change them either, as the issue seems to be the amount they protrude from the sole, not specifically the spikes themselves.

If you hold a 10 spike and a 6 spike version you can see quite a difference between the soles. The 10 spike ones seems to protrude much much more from the sole than the 6 spike one.

 

[williamalex1]

No reason why they can't be changed ... but no reason to change them either, as the issue seems to be the amount they protrude from the sole, not specifically the spikes themselves.

If you hold a 10 spike and a 6 spike version you can see quite a difference between the soles. The 10 spike ones seems to protrude much much more from the sole than the 6 spike one.

Your correct. I have the 10 spike version and they do protrude quite a bit. They also collect all sorts of debris , and I do seem to get taller as the round goes on.
The question is did the manufacturers know about the impending problem , and was the price lowered just to get rid of their stock before the news broke . When I purchased my Adizero tours they had been reduced from £120 to £75, so was I conned ??????:angry:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I mentioned to a local pro the other day the problem people were having with these shoes and he said the worst issue with them is changing the plastic spikes, apparently when you need to replace them its virtually impossible to replace the spikes and some shoes have had to be replaced, has anybody had this issue?

Replaced my twice now with ease

And if my shoes are banned and not welcome then that means I'm not welcome at these golf clubs

Played with mine again this morning and we all made the same intends into the greens.

 

[dewsweeper]

'None so blind' etc,etc.
Dewsweeper

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Replaced my twice now with ease

And if my shoes are banned and not welcome then that means I'm not welcome at these golf clubs

Played with mine again this morning and we all made the same intends into the greens.

A little childish don't you think?

There is clear evidence at Jimbob's club that Adizero's are causing damage, you clearly dispute the damage, but I don't think there is much to dispute

 

[Deleted member 15344]

A little childish don't you think?

There is clear evidence at Jimbob's club that Adizero's are causing damage, you clearly dispute the damage, but I don't think there is much to dispute

Not at all - I'm not buying new shoes just to play certain courses. I'll prefer not to play the course.

Those marks are from ice forming on peoples spikes hence why there is no spike marks - the give then same marks as balls landing on the green. If the greens are that soft they should be closed.

 

[Fish]

I get no such build up with my AQL's and wearing Pro Stingers, as such if, as has been described, you get a substantial build up of ice and debris, then clearly they have been designed more for summer wear than winter but declined to mention this in their marketing!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Seen build up of ice on every single make of shoes my FC wear when the ground us frozen

The ice will naturally grab onto the service of any spike