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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

SocketRocket said:
I just can't see how people with Covid could simply mix with the general public and how it could be considered good news.
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People with covid have been mixing with the general public since the start of the pandemic, either by having it asymptomatically or having it but the symptoms not yet showing.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
You seem to be looking through your own prism. Plenty are significantly affected. Take your pick of schools, hospitals, transport network, supply chains, hospitality, businesses all over, lacking staff who are healthy but having to isolate. It's creating a huge mess and is detrimental to many.
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What about the ones that are not healthy and infectious.
 
SocketRocket said:
What about the ones that are not healthy and infectious.
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Well, like anyone who is ill and infectious, they should stay at home. No different to someone with a bad cold, flu, chicken pox etc. Some won't, as they don't when they have other infectious illnesses, but that just has to be discouraged. We can't nanny everyone for ever.
 
I decided to chill out about the non-mask-wearers in Lidl today. After all I wouldn't normally look too much at the faces of fellow shoppers - quite the opposite. So I registered there were plenty not wearing them and it seemed most from the age group previously said to be more at risk - perhaps the triple jab making them feel more confident.

Anyhow, I just tried to social distance from them all - again something I usually tried to do pre-pandemic when shopping with the great unwashed ;);)
 
SocketRocket said:
So it's OK then?
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Out of interest what would be your suggestion with regards the asymptomatic? You can't keep asking otherwise healthy people to keep testing and then isolating and even if you did it'll get to the point whereby people just don't listen any more. We have to change the mindset of people who feel obliged to work either through their employer's pressure or their own mentality of 'manning up' which will have the most impact on stopping spread on a local level.
 
road2ruin said:
Out of interest what would be your suggestion with regards the asymptomatic? You can't keep asking otherwise healthy people to keep testing and then isolating and even if you did it'll get to the point whereby people just don't listen any more. We have to change the mindset of people who feel obliged to work either through their employer's pressure or their own mentality of 'manning up' which will have the most impact on stopping spread on a local level.
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When staff at my place would come in clearly ill I would send them straight back home. 'I don't want it and I don't want you infecting everyone else'. It took a few conversations like this to get the message through but now they know. Nobody abuses it, it avoids a domino effect of illness going through the company.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
When staff at my place would come in clearly ill I would send them straight back home. 'I don't want it and I don't want you infecting everyone else'. It took a few conversations like this to get the message through but now they know. Nobody abuses it, it avoids a domino effect of illness going through the company.
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Which has got to be the attitude of both employers and employees going forward especially with so many having worked at home, having someone indoors for a few days working there (if well enough) is far better than spreading it round the office and suddenly having no one in!
 
Lord Tyrion said:
You seem to be looking through your own prism. Plenty are significantly affected. Take your pick of schools, hospitals, transport network, supply chains, hospitality, businesses all over, lacking staff who are healthy but having to isolate. It's creating a huge mess and is detrimental to many.
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What you say is of course true - but what it is actually about is managing 'business' risk according to varying levels of absence, and having very clearly defined criteria requiring an individual to be absent from work and for how wrong - and the 'business' defining working from home roles and practice wherever that is practicable - and our experience of the last two years tells us that much is possible in that respect. What is not included in managing 'business' risk are the simple mitigations individuals can make to reduce the risk of viral spread outside of the workplace.

My BiL will not be in a workplace - but he would hopefully be able to go out into public space. However it appears that in the public space the spread of any variant of the virus will not be mitigated and will therefore be uncontrolled. What sort of environment is that for the many who are vulnerable?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
What you say is of course true - but what it is actually about is managing 'business' risk according to varying levels of absence, and having very clearly defined criteria requiring an individual to be absent from work and for how wrong - and the 'business' defining working from home roles and practice wherever that is practicable - and our experience of the last two years tells us that much is possible in that respect. What is not included in managing 'business' risk are the simple mitigations individuals can make to reduce the risk of viral spread outside of the workplace.

My BiL will not be in a workplace - but he would hopefully be able to go out into public space. However it appears that in the public space the spread of any variant of the virus will not be mitigated and will therefore be uncontrolled. What sort of environment is that for the many who are vulnerable?
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Not ideal if you own an office building, or work in reception, or a janitor, or a cook in the canteen, or in any of the cafe's/retail that need office workers.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
When staff at my place would come in clearly ill I would send them straight back home. 'I don't want it and I don't want you infecting everyone else'. It took a few conversations like this to get the message through but now they know. Nobody abuses it, it avoids a domino effect of illness going through the company.
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Do you pay sick pay as that is a huge factor plus the fact that so many companies still expect you to come into work even when ill.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
My BiL will not be in a workplace - but he would hopefully be able to go out into public space. However it appears that in the public space the spread of any variant of the virus will not be mitigated and will therefore be uncontrolled. What sort of environment is that for the many who are vulnerable?
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It's problematic but do we close down for another year, 2 years? There will always be vulnerable people, there always have been. They have to manage their own risk as best they can, as they always have done. It's tough but it's reality.

One thing to ponder. For the countries finances to recover, to bring in the taxes that the NHS, our social services need to help the medically vulnerable, we need to get people back to work consistently, to get businesses working efficiently again.
 
chellie said:
Excellent, what a company should do.
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It's the benefit of having your own, albeit it small, company. You get to treat people the way you believe is right, learn from your own good and bad experiences. You get to put your money where your mouth is in terms of your employer moral compass. I'm pleased to say our staff turnover is very low ?. (We have also been fairly fortunate in not having too many problem employees. That helps ?)
 
drdel said:
Death's weekly ...
Jan 26t 2018, 12,723
Jan 25th 2019, 11740

Jan 29th 2022, 12,401
(ONS)
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It's not really a surprise that deaths aren't higher this year than the previous years. With 140k excess deaths in the last couple of years many of those that would have died this winter are already dead. I suspect that for the next three or four years at least the number of deaths will be below previous years totals simply because of the fact that so many older people died during the pandemic and the totals have been front loaded onto 2020 and 2021.
 
SaintHacker said:
So why keep reading/adding to it? ?‍♂️
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because if you And your ” like” partners had read the thread you would see that people were suggesting that “ twaddle” was being stated. I replied and said it was rammel.
An attempt at humour went straight over all your heads. But thankfully not everyone’s.
 
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