Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

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Reality is we are improving. We are down to 2 in ICU although there remains 94 in the trust with Covid. It certainly isn't swamping ICU although the respiratory wards and some other wards (gastro, CCU) are struggling with patients with underlying conditions which are the main cause for their admission but are also Covid positive and so need isolating in side rooms
 
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Tashyboy said:
because if you And your ” like” partners had read the thread you would see that people were suggesting that “ twaddle” was being stated. I replied and said it was rammel.
An attempt at humour went straight over all your heads. But thankfully not everyone’s.
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It was meant to be funny? Ah OK, yeah you're right I missed the humour completely...
 
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Lord Tyrion said:
It's the benefit of having your own, albeit it small, company. You get to treat people the way you believe is right, learn from your own good and bad experiences. You get to put your money where your mouth is in terms of your employer moral compass. I'm pleased to say our staff turnover is very low ?. (We have also been fairly fortunate in not having too many problem employees. That helps ?)
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Unfortunately, you don't need many of those to change your attitude from holistic to 'selfish' employer!
 
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ColchesterFC said:
It's almost as though they've chosen to announce it now to distract people from something that we're not allowed to talk about. Or maybe I'm completely wrong and they're following the science. I know which of those two sentences I think is more likely.
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Don't think the unspoken reason carries much weight as the reason it has now been announced. After all, how many in the Country don't know about the "difficulties" which are commented on every day by someone in the media. It's in the headlines all the time. E.g Today it is plain it is a major (sic) issue?

I don't think they are following the science- they are following the numbers.
Someone has pointed out the "benefits" of businesses not having to deal with enforced isolation. Your boss can now tell you that you have a not a good enough reason not to attend work!, if he is that sort of boss.
Some people who would sensibly stay away from the workplace if they had covid( as they would maybe if they had flu), out of respect for their fellow employees' health, will now be facing a dilemma they shouldn't be facing if they have a bad boss.
In this respect, Covid is going to be exactly like flu.

My view is that a MarchApril time - better weather- should be the time.
 
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Swinglowandslow said:
Don't think the unspoken reason carries much weight as the reason it has now been announced. After all, how many in the Country don't know about the "difficulties" which are commented on every day by someone in the media. It's in the headlines all the time. E.g Today it is plain it is a major (sic) issue?

I don't think they are following the science- they are following the numbers.
Someone has pointed out the "benefits" of businesses not having to deal with enforced isolation. Your boss can now tell you that you have a not a good enough reason not to attend work!, if he is that sort of boss.
Some people who would sensibly stay away from the workplace if they had covid( as they would maybe if they had flu), out of respect for their fellow employees' health, will now be facing a dilemma they shouldn't be facing if they have a bad boss.
In this respect, Covid is going to be exactly like flu.

My view is that a MarchApril time - better weather- should be the time.
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It would be interesting to see what the Science has said on the matter. I have a distinct feeling this suggestion of removing all restrictions has been 'Off the cuff' and not supported by the science
 
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Lord Tyrion said:
It's problematic but do we close down for another year, 2 years? There will always be vulnerable people, there always have been. They have to manage their own risk as best they can, as they always have done. It's tough but it's reality.

One thing to ponder. For the countries finances to recover, to bring in the taxes that the NHS, our social services need to help the medically vulnerable, we need to get people back to work consistently, to get businesses working efficiently again.
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The vulnerable have been able to manage their risk in public feeling pretty safe in the knowledge that any viral infection they might pick up is very well understood and for which there are very effective vaccines and treatments - that is not yet the case for coronavirus and covid.

And yes we need the economy to recover and perform well...that does not require us to drop ALL viral spread mitigations, when some are of limited or no inconvenience, and why now...when waiting just a few months with see warmer weather and less spread of the current variant in the community.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
The vulnerable have been able to manage their risk in public feeling pretty safe in the knowledge that any viral infection they might pick up is very well understood and for which there are very effective vaccines and treatments - that is not yet the case for coronavirus and covid.

And yes we need the economy to recover and perform well...that does not require us to drop ALL viral spread mitigations, when some are of limited or no inconvenience, and why now...when waiting just a few months with see warmer weather and less spread of the current variant in the community.
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But what is your definition for “very well understood”? That seems to be the key to your argument for keeping restrictions in place, since we seem to already have extremely effective vaccines available, which have prevented the NHS being overwhelmed despite a massive number of infections.

You advocate waiting for the summer before easing restrictions, but what do you suggest when autumn and winter come around, and your rather unquantifiable suggestion that Covid is “very well understood” has not been met to your satisfaction? More restrictions? Another lockdown?

What you are effectively suggesting is a life of indefinite restrictions, and whilst I agree most are trifling, the ongoing requirement to self isolate most definitely isn’t.
 
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SocketRocket said:
Detention is a form of isolation.

The suggestion that there is no law to suggest you isolate with a notifiable disease was wrong.
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I'm pretty sure laws are more than just a suggestion.
That law you quoted relates to detaining someone in hospital who has nowhere else to go. There is no law, other than for covid, that mandates a person to isolate themselves because of disease.
 
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Billysboots said:
But what is your definition for “very well understood”? That seems to be the key to your argument for keeping restrictions in place, since we seem to already have extremely effective vaccines available, which have prevented the NHS being overwhelmed despite a massive number of infections.

You advocate waiting for the summer before easing restrictions, but what do you suggest when autumn and winter come around, and your rather unquantifiable suggestion that Covid is “very well understood” has not been met to your satisfaction? More restrictions? Another lockdown?

What you are effectively suggesting is a life of indefinite restrictions, and whilst I agree most are trifling, the ongoing requirement to self isolate most definitely isn’t.
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I would've liked to have seen masks remain compulsory on public transport and in essential shops such as supermarkets. That way the vulnerable have a little more protection and can feel more confident to go about their daily lives. I can't see why people would be unhappy with having to do that, but as we've seen from the start of this there are some selfish people that will play the "exempt" card to avoid having to wear a mask. The mask requirement could have been dropped for pubs, restaurants etc and the individual then has to make their own decision on whether they will attend those venues or not.
 
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ColchesterFC said:
I would've liked to have seen masks remain compulsory on public transport and in essential shops such as supermarkets. That way the vulnerable have a little more protection and can feel more confident to go about their daily lives. I can't see why people would be unhappy with having to do that, but as we've seen from the start of this there are some selfish people that will play the "exempt" card to avoid having to wear a mask. The mask requirement could have been dropped for pubs, restaurants etc and the individual then has to make their own decision on whether they will attend those venues or not.
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I would have agreed with you re mask wearing to protect the vulnerable, but as stated earlier in this thread I have two old/elderly family members who contracted Covid from in one case visiting a fully masked and tested outpatient clinic and in the other via two visits to a fully masked supermarket. So, if you are very vulnerable everyone wearing masks in these public areas is not good enough protection as there is definitely risk in visiting such places.
 
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