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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Fade and Die said:
It’s not going to “end well” is it. The obsession with testing will ensure the numbers remain high.

Although It will be interesting when the season changes and we see just how effective the “vaccination” really is.
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What do the quotation marks around vaccination mean? They are vaccines, they are effective under current conditions.

The most serious challenge to the efficacy of the vaccines could occur if cases are allowed to rise fast in a population which has only been partly vaccinated, thus creating evolutionary pressure on the virus to evolve new and more effective variants. Oh, poo.
 
Beezerk said:
Got to be honest, this afternoon I was convinced I'd dropped a clanger as it just felt a bit like hay fever, snotty nose, itchy eyes etc.
We were supposed to be going away to Ambleside this coming weekend for some nice food and a bit of walking, gutted we'll have to cancel but I'm sure there are people in a much worse place than me.
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Lots of people have been in your situation it seems - even my daughter was the same , I still have to persuade myself that we came back negative
 
road2ruin said:
What about the member of SAGE who came out and said that cloth masks are a complete waste of time a ‘safety blanket’ as the size of the virus are far smaller than the size of the holes in a cloth mask which the vast majority wear. Surely if masks are to be kept then at least have people wearing something that will do some sort of job.
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I recently posted a scientific research paper that tested the effects of wearing standard face masks. It showed that they reduce the projection of both aerosol and droplet particles by a high amount.

Here it is:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-91487-7#Fig1
 
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Ethan said:
What do the quotation marks around vaccination mean? They are vaccines, they are effective under current conditions.

The most serious challenge to the efficacy of the vaccines could occur if cases are allowed to rise fast in a population which has only been partly vaccinated, thus creating evolutionary pressure on the virus to evolve new and more effective variants. Oh, poo.
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If that’s the case, With a third of London’s adults not being vaccinated, it could be bad for London ☹️
 
SocketRocket said:
I recently posted a scientific research paper that tested the effects of wearing standard face masks. It showed that they reduce the projection of both aerosol and droplet particles by a high amount.
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And this was a member of SAGE saying completely the opposite about standard cloth masks. Surely goes to prove that the spread of Covid is stopped by contact which is essentially working from home in most cases and not a face mask.

Have you looked at the Danish study which is one of the biggest into the efficacy of face masks, essentially says that the ones that most of the public use are useless.
 
SocketRocket said:
I recently posted a scientific research paper that tested the effects of wearing standard face masks. It showed that they reduce the projection of both aerosol and droplet particles by a high amount.
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Indeed, nothing to see here. If people wear a crochet mask, not going to be much good. Don't need a paper in Nature to know that.

Masks are on a spectrum between useless and nothing shall pass. Most of the retail ones are OK, somewhere in the middle, not a panacea but offering a decent effect. Part of a broader picture of non-pharmacological interventions including social distancing and hand washing.
 
road2ruin said:
And this was a member of SAGE saying completely the opposite about standard cloth masks. Surely goes to prove that the spread of Covid is stopped by contact which is essentially working from home in most cases and not a face mask.

Have you looked at the Danish study which is one of the biggest into the efficacy of face masks, essentially says that the ones that most of the public use are useless.
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Here it is, take a read, it's examining standard surgical masks. If it's a bit long read the conclusion.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-91487-7#Fig1
 
road2ruin said:
I read it the first time you posted it and I have no issues bar the fact that the majority don’t wear standard surgical masks. I am talking about the usage of cloth masks which is the vast majority of those who wear them.
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You didn't say that. As Ethan suggested, most reasonable commercial ones are fairly good, ok there are some that are rubbish but it's not an argument to suggest wearing masks is a waste of time. Along with social distancing and hand cleansing they are a fair barrier against virus spread.
 
SocketRocket said:
You didn't say that. As Ethan suggested, most reasonable commercial ones are fairly good, ok there are some that are rubbish but it's not an argument to suggest wearing masks is a waste of time. Along with social distancing and hand cleansing they are a fair barrier against virus spread.
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I’m talking about cloth face masks which are worn by the majority of people I see, I myself am included in that number. The washable ones that are meant to be reused. They’ve been proved to be practically useless so if there is guidance to use face masks surely it should specify a type otherwise it’s just a waste of time. This is from a member of SAGE in the last 24 hours so isn’t an argument of mask vs no mask it’s a fact that certain types of mask offer no benefit over not wearing one.
 
Ethan said:
The most serious challenge to the efficacy of the vaccines could occur if cases are allowed to rise fast in a population which has only been partly vaccinated, thus creating evolutionary pressure on the virus to evolve new and more effective variants. Oh, poo.
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If we are concerned about variants we have to tackle it globally. Keeping infections down here, which we still must do, is not affecting world wide variants.

Then you have the issue of 40(?) million Americans not wanting to be vaccinated because if they take it then Biden wins. Billions of poor people that can’t afford it.

What you have written before, updated vaccines year after year building enough immunity, that’s probable where we have to get to.
I just hope we get there carefully.
 
road2ruin said:
I’m talking about cloth face masks which are worn by the majority of people I see, I myself am included in that number. The washable ones that are meant to be reused. They’ve been proved to be practically useless so if there is guidance to use face masks surely it should specify a type otherwise it’s just a waste of time. This is from a member of SAGE in the last 24 hours so isn’t an argument of mask vs no mask it’s a fact that certain types of mask offer no benefit over not wearing one.
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I still disagree. It's not the size of the virus particle that's the issue but the vehicle that carries it forward and it's velocity. Wearing any reasonable mask will defuse the force of breath carrying the virus. Try blowing out the candles on a birthday cake while wearing any reasonable face mask.
 
road2ruin said:
I’m talking about cloth face masks which are worn by the majority of people I see, I myself am included in that number. The washable ones that are meant to be reused. They’ve been proved to be practically useless so if there is guidance to use face masks surely it should specify a type otherwise it’s just a waste of time. This is from a member of SAGE in the last 24 hours so isn’t an argument of mask vs no mask it’s a fact that certain types of mask offer no benefit over not wearing one.
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If you know cloth ones are useless, why do you use one? Do you need guidance in which one to wear if you know which ones are useless? Or is it just a cop out on your part?
 
Ethan said:
What do the quotation marks around vaccination mean? They are vaccines, they are effective under current conditions.

The most serious challenge to the efficacy of the vaccines could occur if cases are allowed to rise fast in a population which has only been partly vaccinated, thus creating evolutionary pressure on the virus to evolve new and more effective variants. Oh, poo.
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Feel free to explain why a medical experiment which does not stop you getting the disease, does not prevent transmission and does not prevent re-infection can be described as a “vaccine”?
 
SocketRocket said:
I still disagree. It's not the size of the virus particle that's the issue but the vehicle that carries it forward and it's velocity. Wearing any reasonable mask will defuse the force of breath carrying the virus. Try blowing out the candles on a birthday cake while wearing any reasonable face mask.
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But the member of SAGE commenting today on cloth masks would disagree with you?

He warned some cloth masks have gaps which are invisible to the naked eye, but are 500,000 times the size of viral Covid particles.

“The small sizes are not easily understood but an imperfect analogy would be to imagine marbles fired at builders’ scaffolding, some might hit a pole and rebound, but obviously most will fly through,”
 
Hobbit said:
If you know cloth ones are useless, why do you use one? Do you need guidance in which one to wear if you know which ones are useless? Or is it just a cop out on your part?
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I’m asked to wear a mask so I do so. I don’t believe if them and the science is very much split with regards their efficacy, it’s not black or white.
 
Fade and Die said:
Feel free to explain why a medical experiment which does not stop you getting the disease, does not prevent transmission and does not prevent re-infection can be described as a “vaccine”?
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Short version - the word vaccine does not mean 100% effective but Covid vaccines, even AZ, are better than most. They stop most people getting the disease, or getting a sever form, and also most people transmitting or getting a second infection. Plenty of data on that, it is not a matter of opinion.

So, any thoughts on new variants emerging if the population and their Govt gets reckless?
 
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