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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

This current go-to phrase 'We've got to learn to live with it' concerns me. What exactly do we have to learn to live with, rampaging infection rates, loved ones seriously ill or dead, NHS overloaded so non Covid treatments and Ops are postponed further, vulnerable people having to lock themselves away and live in fear, people having long term organ damage and failure. Wow! Sounds a hoot and what's the pay off for all this, the pleasure of sitting on a tram or bus, shopping, crowding at the bar of a pub, almost anything you want to do with no mask or social distance. And so the ship of fools sail on.
 
SocketRocket said:
This current go-to phrase 'We've got to learn to live with it' concerns me. What exactly do we have to learn to live with, rampaging infection rates, loved ones seriously ill or dead, NHS overloaded so non Covid treatments and Ops are postponed further, vulnerable people having to lock themselves away and live in fear, people having long term organ damage and failure. Wow! Sounds a hoot and what's the pay off for all this, the pleasure of sitting on a tram or bus, shopping, crowding at the bar of a pub, almost anything you want to do with no mask or social distance. And so the ship of fools sail on.
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We’ve learned to live with measles, German measles, chickenpox, typhoid, cholera and polio. And with hard work, eradicated smallpox. It didn’t happen overnight and, sadly, there will be casualties but learn to live with it we will.
 
I hate that stupid expression 'learn to live with it'. It means absolutely everything and nothing from 'I no longer give a toss about case or death numbers, so let the virus rip' to 'We are never going to suppress this entirely, but we need to make sure it is controlled to a level where morbidity is very low'. Right now, I think we are closer to the first of those than the second.

Could anybody using it explain what exactly they mean?
 
Ethan said:
I hate that stupid expression 'learn to live with it'. It means absolutely everything and nothing from 'I no longer give a toss about case or death numbers, so let the virus rip' to 'We are never going to suppress this entirely, but we need to make sure it is controlled to a level where morbidity is very low'. Right now, I think we are closer to the first of those than the second.

Could anybody using it explain what exactly they mean?
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Do we not have to "learn to live" because it's been so mismanaged that right now there is nothing left we can do

I mean how much longer can the restrictions go on before more and more people just out and out ignore them?
 
pauljames87 said:
Do we not have to "learn to live" because it's been so mismanaged that right now there is nothing left we can do

I mean how much longer can the restrictions go on before more and more people just out and out ignore them?
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Well, I agree that we could have done a lot better and bad decisions were made, but the part that I dislike about 'learn to live' is that it implies slowing down or backing off as if there was a negotiation possible with Covid. It doesn't work like that. It will keep going if there are people it can infect, and given some time, it will come back for another go-around. Learning to live with it usually includes some more bad decisions.
 
Ethan said:
Well, I agree that we could have done a lot better and bad decisions were made, but the part that I dislike about 'learn to live' is that it implies slowing down or backing off as if there was a negotiation possible with Covid. It doesn't work like that. It will keep going if there are people it can infect, and given some time, it will come back for another go-around. Learning to live with it usually includes some more bad decisions.
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Without getting political , bad decisions at the start and during mean that we can't really do much else now because who's going to comply? I mean don't get me wrong people will but so many won't

If it had been from day one full lockdown proper enforced then if you isolate full pay so nobody is out of pocket isolating making people more likely to do what's right then maybe we would have more of a handle

But the half way house we have had to try and save the economy whilst controlling covid have A cost us more than a proper lockdown and payment system and B cost more life's
 
Hobbit said:
We’ve learned to live with measles, German measles, chickenpox, typhoid, cholera and polio. And with hard work, eradicated smallpox. It didn’t happen overnight and, sadly, there will be casualties but learn to live with it we will.
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I agree, we will learn to live with it when we have it under control but that's not now. I grew up in an era where people had measles, chicken pox and polio, they weren't pandemics though, we lived with them because they weren't ripping through the population and nackering the health service. What we are experiencing now is something unseen for a hundred years. If anyone thinks we can just ignore it and get on with it without serious consequences then good luck with that one.
 
Ethan said:
I hate that stupid expression 'learn to live with it'. It means absolutely everything and nothing from 'I no longer give a toss about case or death numbers, so let the virus rip' to 'We are never going to suppress this entirely, but we need to make sure it is controlled to a level where morbidity is very low'. Right now, I think we are closer to the first of those than the second.

Could anybody using it explain what exactly they mean?
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The government are doing the right thing. The country needs to be fully opened up now, anyone who is worried can take action to protect themselves, Hands Face Space, no one will say ‘take your mask off’ or ‘why are you washing your hands’

We boast about our “successful” vaccine drive…what’s the point if nothing changes?


My understanding now is that if you had both jabs it in no way stops you getting the virus. It just stops you from dying in most cases now.
The government have weighed up the risks and made the decision to push some out of the front door.
 
Fade and Die said:
The government are doing the right thing. The country needs to be fully opened up now, anyone who is worried can take action to protect themselves, Hands Face Space, no one will say ‘take your mask off’ or ‘why are you washing your hands’

We boast about our “successful” vaccine drive…what’s the point if nothing changes?


My understanding now is that if you had both jabs it in no way stops you getting the virus. It just stops you from dying in most cases now.
The government have weighed up the risks and made the decision to push some out of the front door.
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If you're the only person walking up a road where everyone else is walking down it you may stop and wonder why.
 
Fade and Die said:
The government are doing the right thing. The country needs to be fully opened up now, anyone who is worried can take action to protect themselves, Hands Face Space, no one will say ‘take your mask off’ or ‘why are you washing your hands’

We boast about our “successful” vaccine drive…what’s the point if nothing changes?


My understanding now is that if you had both jabs it in no way stops you getting the virus. It just stops you from dying in most cases now.
The government have weighed up the risks and made the decision to push some out of the front door.
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Masks are actually to protect others more than to protect yourself. I bet you some morons will say exactly that stuff to people wearing them, starting tomorrow morning.

Requiring people on public transport to wear masks has no effect on opening up the country. It might stop it being closed down again in a few weeks.

It is reported that the Govt wanted to keep masks b ut did not want to have to reply on opposition support to pass it, so they dropped it. That strongly suggests scientific advice was to keep masks and various statements by relevant people since confirm this.

The vaccine drive has been successful but not enough have been vaccinated to simultaneously abandon a load of regulations at once. There was an opportunity for a measured and. careful relaxation, but the Govt has gone too far, mostly out of political cowardice.
 
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