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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Doon frae Troon said:
In England only, two thirds of Scots are behind their governments more cautious approach, same in Wales I believe.
I fear England are making an horrendous mistake, especially after the reactions of last weeks football fans.
Bound to be a massive surge in cases IMVHO.
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Do you have a link to the source for that 2/3 of Scots claim? A source that uses data driven evidence.
 
Daughters partner, he is a Bobby. He was at the station a couple of days ago and a “ wanted” criminal walks through the door handing himself in. He is promptly arrested And chucked in the slammer. During questioning he just nonchalantly drops out that he has no taste or smell. Not only that he point blank refuses to take a Covid test to see if he actually has it. The consequences are that five coppers are now isolating for 10 days ?
human rights or not, I would Chuck him in a cell and leave him for 10 days.
PS, it is the third time since Xmas he has had to isolate.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Quoted on BBC Scotland, assume it was a survey report.
As I am sure you know, BBC Scotland is occasionally a supporter of Scottish Government announcements.:love:
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So no actual link as such? Just a vague reference with an assumption?

So when the BBC agree with the SNP its the bastian of truth and light but woebetide them when they disagree?
 
ger147 said:
I wish that was the case. I'm still unable to play golf after 2 weeks as my cough is still so bad that I can't breathe properly if I start a coughing fit and my wife was off her work for 3 weeks, both double vacc'd when we had it passed on to us by our daughter who got it at work and brought it home to us.

I was in bed for 5 days and lost 8lbs in 7 days and my wife was in bed for the best part of a fortnight so deffo wouldn't count what we had as "mild if any at all" symptoms.
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Sorry to hear that and that is just the sort of genuine experience more need to be aware of. Double jabbed does not mean invincible - not by a long shot. Hope you are both fully recovered soon.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
In England only, two thirds of Scots are behind their governments more cautious approach, same in Wales I believe.
I fear England are making an horrendous mistake, especially after the reactions of last weeks football fans.
Bound to be a massive surge in cases IMVHO.
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Remind me of the Scots who travelled to Wembley without tickets and the surge in cases afterwards…. Good thing the Scottish idiots were so responsible…:);)
 
We are back in wipe down mode …not believing that it will open up fully here, if it does we will still close ourselves off and avoid any unnecessary risk … which may mean missing the circus but hey ho I would rather be and my family be alive and well
 
The only changes for me after Monday is that I can rake a bunker (not using the individual rakes we have been using) and maybe take the odd pin out. I will sanitise my hands when necessary, as i do now when using communal surfaces such as door handles. I might go to the bar to order as long as it is not rammed (if so I wouldn’t frequent the venue in the first place).
Otherwise life will be unchanged, if I am in a crowded space (extremely unlikely) I will wear a mask. So for me and most I know there will be little or no change as will also be the case for those who are breaking the rules for the past months anyway.
 
Does anyone get the feeling that this will never end? I'm not a conspiracy theorist - I've had my jabs and other than travel abroad, my life isn't dramatically different.

But every time there appears to be some light at the end of the tunnel, it is quickly whisked away.

Eg - last month I put myself into the draw for Masters tickets. Knowing the odds are extremely low, I put myself down for all days, including the practice days. I thought the idea that we wouldn't be able to go to the US by Spring next year as fairly ridiculous. By then, both countries vaccination levels will be extremely high and I thought Covid will just simply be something like a common cold. But now, I find it very difficult to imagine that being the case.

I've said on here before that I do covid testing for work, and not too long ago we were told that we would be there for another year, possibly 18 months. This has already changed to 'minimum 2 years.'
 
The other big difference in my life, is no going to the football. I've renewed my season ticket and so should be going in a month's time... It's quite hard to see that happening at the moment.
 
ger147 said:
I wish that was the case. I'm still unable to play golf after 2 weeks as my cough is still so bad that I can't breathe properly if I start a coughing fit and my wife was off her work for 3 weeks, both double vacc'd when we had it passed on to us by our daughter who got it at work and brought it home to us.

I was in bed for 5 days and lost 8lbs in 7 days and my wife was in bed for the best part of a fortnight so deffo wouldn't count what we had as "mild if any at all" symptoms.
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That's a sobering tale, thanks for sharing. Hopefully you'll both be over it soon. Shows how variable it can be. Out of interest how was your daughter affected?
 
IainP said:
That's a sobering tale, thanks for sharing. Hopefully you'll both be over it soon. Shows how variable it can be. Out of interest how was your daughter affected?
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Thank you.

She was in bed for a week and we had to speak to the doctor and get anti-sickness tablets to help her as she couldn't even drink without throwing up, which is apparently quite a common symptom amongst younger folk who get it. She also ran a really high temperature for several days and lost her taste and smell.
 
PhilTheFragger said:
@Ethan
How similar is Covid to Spanish flu

That raged across the world 100 years ago and burnt itself out after a couple of years without the benefit of vaccinations.

Any parallels?
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You're probably better off asking @chrisd. He's lived through both so can give first hand knowledge. (y)




Sorry Chris, couldn't resist.
 
PhilTheFragger said:
@Ethan
How similar is Covid to Spanish flu

That raged across the world 100 years ago and burnt itself out after a couple of years without the benefit of vaccinations.

Any parallels?
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There are some parallels, and one of those is that the basic principles of quarantine and hygiene apply to both, and to other infectious diseases. Another is that the places who applied those measures most effectively were able to return to normal fastest. The UK has not picked up on that lesson. Spanish 'flu was a variant of an already well known virus, and in the post war period with lots of malnutrition, homelessness, poor hygiene and other diseases, it probably was able to take a better grip than it would have in settled times. It did cause broader effects than just respiratory, but not to the same extent as Covid does. Spanish flu didn't really burn itself out, it ran its course pretty effectively. If the same numbers occurred with Covid, we would see a global death toll of over 100 million.

Covid is different in a number of respects, but the main one is that the whole body disease (aka systemic) aspect is stronger. The initial infection is like a flu/respiratory illness (although not a pneumonia), but the real bad news is the second stage which kicks in for some people around day 7. This is the inflammatory phase, and like with sepsis, a cascade of inflammatory substances called cytokines generated by your immune system spread throughout the body and can cause damage to the vasculature, indirectly causing strokes, heart attacks etc, and to end organs like the kidneys, liver, heart and brain causing renal failure, hepatic failure, myocarditis and encephalitis. The Spanish flu caused a cytokine storm in some, and that contributed to killing more of the young adults than flu generally kills, but this effect appears to be less prominent than with Covid.

This cytokine storm is what kills people who seemed to be getting better then deteriorated. The problem we now see is that even in a minority, but still a significant number, of people who have not had a bad illness, some of the inflammatory effects have taken place. Not enough to tip you over into renal failure right now, but it has eaten away at your 'reserve' of renal function, and in the medium term, there could be trouble. Likewise studies of brain MRI and cardiac ultrasound have shown effects and damage in people who thought they had a relatively mild illness. There have also been reports of increased rates of Type I Diabetes in kids (the immune type, not the pie-fetish type) due to inflammatory effects on the pancreas. This last bit is what I am concerned about this next phase. I think we are storing up a lot of trouble down the line with youngish people going into renal, hepatic failure at a younger than usual age.

With flu, over the years and decades, we have built up a complicated immunity to it, such that most younger or fitter people can now deal with it easily enough, and don't even get a symptomatic illness even though they are inevitably exposed to it. Older people who have other illnesses and whose immune systems are not so effective need the vaccine. In time we will get to the same place with Covid, maybe faster with the new more effective vaccines, but I think we should be more careful while we get there.
 
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