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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

SocketRocket said:
Won't people having a flu jab keep a lid on it.
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Not sure if you are aware how ineffective the flu jab is, its poor 10% -60% (ish), see here :-

How Effective is the Flu Vaccine? (webmd.com)

Sadly, Flu kills many people who are relatively weak(a typical example is the old/ill). Covid is likely to be the same moving forward.

There are pay backs on immunity to come and longer we try to control all viruses that we can not stop by vaccines/infection, that the larger the payback (a good example of a virus we can control is measles, EDIT as its 'half life' of antibodies & mutation is super long/infective for cell entry and vaccines are 'basically' valid for a lifetime), As I posted the other day, think of tribes and how many die when a virus gets into them, due to lack of immunity from previous infection/vaccines.

Lockdowns are a very short term measure, or a very dangerous longer term experiment.
 
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PNWokingham said:
so excess flu deaths is going to be another consequence of the lockdown

"Covid cases are expected to surge in the winter, and experts are also predicting an unprecedented spike in influenza and RSV (respiratory syncytial virus) infections due to a lack of natural immunity as a result of lockdowns throughout 2020 and 2021.
Sir Patrick Vallance, the Chief Scientific Adviser, commissioned the report which was spearheaded by Professor Sir Stephen Holgate, Medical Research Council clinical professor of immunopharmacology, and involved 29 leading experts.
The report projected flu deaths could reach 60,000 this winter in a worst-case scenario, more than twice as many as the record-breaking figures of the winter of 2017/2018."
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No, excess flu deaths is going to be a result of failing to effectively control Covid in a timely manner. There may be a rebound of flu deaths avoided previously. This will, however, put strain on the NHS and interfere with the treatment of other non-ovoid conditions about which you are very concerned.
 
DRW said:
Not sure if you are aware how ineffective the flu jab is, its poor 10% -60% (ish), see here :-

How Effective is the Flu Vaccine? (webmd.com)

Sadly, Flu kills many people who are relatively weak(a typical example is the old/ill). Covid is likely to be the same moving forward.

There are pay backs on immunity to come and longer we try to control all viruses that we can not stop by vaccines/infection, that the larger the payback (a good example of a virus we can control is measles, EDIT as its 'half life' of antibodies & mutation is super long/infective for cell entry and vaccines are 'basically' valid for a lifetime), As I posted the other day, think of tribes and how many die when a virus gets into them, due to lack of immunity from previous infection/vaccines.

Lockdowns are a very short term measure, or a very dangerous longer term experiment.
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The flu jab isn't brilliant. There are other versions in development, including an mRNA version by Moderna, and a combined Covid/flu from Novavax.
 
After getting a negative PCR test I was allowed out of isolation in my hotel and to go into the field office (wearing a mask until my symptoms had gone). I'm now back in isolation in my hotel as one of the other guys in the office has had a positive PCR test for Covid. The rest of us now have to take rapid tests every day for 4 days until we go for our own PCR tests on Monday. Assuming that is negative we're allowed out of isolation.
 
Hobbit said:
Many of our friends who have gone down the same route as us have been double jabbed. I managed to speak to the Health Board admin office this afternoon, with the aid of a translator. Our paperwork never reached them from Turre. They said that it takes 2 days to receive an appointment after they get the paperwork. With the contacts we’ve got in the last few days I hope we can resolve this very soon.
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In which case, fingers crossed that things are sorted soon (y)(y)
 
New word the press have invented…we are in a pingdemic. And as numbers of new infections rises each day, as they will be able to rise even quicker after the 19th (unless we are very careful), so the pingdemic gets worse and starts to shut down the country. This would be bonkers and silly if it were not so serious.
 
Beezerk said:
Had a bit of a cough and sore throat today, did a lateral flow test earlier which came up negative, going to do another in the morning. Not sure if I should book a PCR test as well ?
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If it doesn't meet the symptoms I don't think you can officially get one

The lateral flow are pretty decent , just do extra one tomorrow maybe
 
Beezerk said:
Had a bit of a cough and sore throat today, did a lateral flow test earlier which came up negative, going to do another in the morning. Not sure if I should book a PCR test as well ?
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That’s exactly what I and the daughter had so we went for one to be safe ?

pauljames87 said:
If it doesn't meet the symptoms I don't think you can officially get one

The lateral flow are pretty decent , just do extra one tomorrow maybe
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He has two of the symptoms
 
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The numbers here in southern Spain continue to rise. An article in this morning’s paper has a piece from a doctor who works in ICU, Malaga. He ‘talks’ about the average age of patients is now below 40 and none of them have had underlying conditions. The number of deaths is rising slowly but is considered to be no more than a typical flu number. However, the age of those dying is of great concern, and a number of tourist hotspots are considering closing nightclubs and bars. There’s also talk of beaches being closed.
 
This is a Mirror story, from a SAGE member, about non-fatal organ damage of the sort I have mentioned here a few times. With young people, Covid is not about deaths now, it is about damage that may cause serious problems later.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
That’s exactly what I and the daughter had so we went for one to be safe ?



He has two of the symptoms
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No he doesnt

a high temperature
a new, continuous cough
a loss or change to your sense of smell or taste


Sore throat isn't one and his cough needs to be continuous
 
Beezerk said:
Had a bit of a cough and sore throat today, did a lateral flow test earlier which came up negative, going to do another in the morning. Not sure if I should book a PCR test as well ?
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  • a new, continuous cough – this means coughing a lot for more than an hour, or 3 or more coughing episodes in 24 hours (if you usually have a cough, it may be worse than usual)

If not that then it's not a symptom officially
 
Ethan said:
This is a Mirror story, from a SAGE member, about non-fatal organ damage of the sort I have mentioned here a few times. With young people, Covid is not about deaths now, it is about damage that may cause serious problems later.
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Played golf yesterday with the conspiracy theorist - it's all about government propoganda and scaremongering etc etc. Mentioned more people die from cancer daily and I could see your words "IT'S NOT ABOUT THE DEATHS" and tried not to shout that across the golf course! Calmy gave the scientific/medical viewpoint (aided by your expertise) but clearly fell on deaf ears. Our fellow golfers whispered "Amanda please don't mention it again"!
 
AmandaJR said:
Played golf yesterday with the conspiracy theorist - it's all about government propoganda and scaremongering etc etc. Mentioned more people die from cancer daily and I could see your words "IT'S NOT ABOUT THE DEATHS" and tried not to shout that across the golf course! Calmy gave the scientific/medical viewpoint (aided by your expertise) but clearly fell on deaf ears. Our fellow golfers whispered "Amanda please don't mention it again"!
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Right now, more people do die from cancer every day. But those who now die from Covid are younger and had many more years of life left. But, as you say, it ain't just about the deaths. I wouldn't bother trying to persuade those who have set their minds against it.
 
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