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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

pauljames87 said:
It's also proven so far isn't it that the vaccine isn't as effective against the new strains? So what then
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Then we have to decide when enough is enough. Face it, covid isnt going away, probably ever. So we get to a point where we do what we can to mitigate risk but be able to live a fairly normal life, or stay locked up indefinitely, destroying any economy and eventually all starving to death long before covid does it
 
SaintHacker said:
And if its proven, as looks likely, that the vacc prevents transmission as well as contraction?
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People do seem to forget or pretend that the vaccine has not proven to prevent transmission yet. Only proven to prevent serious illness like a paracetamol for a headache. So the idea of a passport or whether you can go round your mates for a game of scrabble or twister or on holiday seems pre mature.
 
Jamesbrown said:
People do seem to forget or pretend that the vaccine has not proven to prevent transmission yet. Only proven to prevent serious illness like a paracetamol for a headache. So the idea of a passport or whether you can go round your mates for a game of scrabble or twister or on holiday seems pre mature.
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The experts will be along shortly but I definitely heard on the news that it reduces transmission by around 65%. Something like that anyway
 
GB72 said:
That is interesting. Will be interesting to see how this pans out as, for example, my brother is under 50 with a 16 year old son. Neither of them will see a vaccine for a while and so will they be confined to the UK or to countries that do not impose a vaccine requirement. Guessing some countries may follow the current 'standard' which appears to be clear test at least 72 hours before departure and a clear test to return (certainly in my location of choice, Antigua, they are doing return tests on the resorts).
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That is the problem with a prioritisation plan which is focussed fairly narrowly. These things follow a tipping point, where the public 'mood' shifts. Right now, I think people are in the 'waiting for a vaccination' phase, but when the clock changes and the days warm up (although it is not bad at the moment), people will start to get restless, and once enough people are vaccinated, the pressure on Govt will be irresistible.

Ironically, UK tourists, more of whom have been vacc'd, might be more attractive than other countries which are lagging behind.
 
SatchFan said:
I must be easy to please. All this talk of foreign holidays and yet I'd be happy if Boris announces on the 22nd that I can go to Caffe Nero for a latte and an almond croissant.
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He probably will but soon enough, you will want more. One almond croissant will not do. You will progress to harder stuff, and then you will want that patisserie to be in Paris or Vienna and there is no easy way back.
 
Can we not be like NZ and Australia and close the borders of for visitors in and out ?

People can still have a holiday in the UK ?
 
ger147 said:
The whole issue of vaccine passports/certificates, whether they will be required and whether foreign travel will be allowed off the back of it etc. is something largely beyond the control of the UK government. What Spain, Portugal, Italy etc. decide to implement re. whether they allow foreign visitors or not, from which countries, if evidence of a vaccine is required etc. is a matter for those countries to decide for themselves. If they decide to only allow UK visitors who can provide evidence of a Covid-19 vaccine, I'm not sure what a protest march to Trafalgar Square would achieve.
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Nothing. Nor should it. Their country, their decision.
 
In my job I deal with cryogenic storage and so we get involved with the pharma companies, shippers for the vaccines, etc.
I'm on a webinar on this at the moment and one thing that came out of this that is frightening is the manufacturer of spurious "clone" vaccines in China which are now being sold at £150 per shot!
And organised crime gangs are looking at ways to hijack shipments of Covid vaccines and distribute them on the black market.
Words fail me at how low people will go.
 
SaintHacker said:
I do wish our esteemed leaders would grow up, pit their differences aside and agree to agree about uk wide restrictions.
To say holidays are out this year is a ridiculous statement given the vaccine roll out etc. If englend say its ok to go abroad (and as has been pointed out it will be more down to the receiving country) then whats to stop any Scots who have been jabbed travelling down to Newcastle and flying from there?

Mod note: this post is about holiday restrictions, not politics. Oops, sorry, mentioned the p word by accident...
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It is probably about concern re mutations arising in other countries. Until we know more about our vaccine's ability to deal with them.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
It is probably about concern re mutations arising in other countries. Until we know more about our vaccine's ability to deal with them.
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I'm sure it is, but while there's no border controls between UK countries its a pretty futile excercise. I think we all know thr real reason for it, we're just not allowed to talk about it
 
Robster59 said:
In my job I deal with cryogenic storage and so we get involved with the pharma companies, shippers for the vaccines, etc.
I'm on a webinar on this at the moment and one thing that came out of this that is frightening is the manufacturer of spurious "clone" vaccines in China which are now being sold at £150 per shot!
And organised crime gangs are looking at ways to hijack shipments of Covid vaccines and distribute them on the black market.
Words fail me at how low people will go.
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Part of me thinks that the army are not just involved in vaccine transport and distribution for logistics purposes
 
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