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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

hovis said:
I had this argument with my friend who is a gym owner. He hand on heart thinks he's gym would be safe. I'm itching to get back to the gym but by their very nature have to be one of the worst places to visit. In between lockdowns I watched a bloke doing a bench press. The sun just happened to be shining though the window over him at the perfect angle. This demonstrated how much mist and spray was flying out of his mouth (a substantial distance too). That was the last time I went
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That is a brilliant example of aerosol spread. And it happens ,of course, in normal everyday breathing. ( the exertion projects it further, obviously, but everyone is using potential aerosol spread).
No problem outdoors much, but indoors...... This expelled breath recirculates and is readily breathed in by ( eventually) everyone in that room.

S/D wouldn't come into it in those circumstances.

I'm convinced that it is such aerosol spread that is/has caused this latest winter spike.
 
Ethan said:
There is a certain logic there, in that the wild viral infection acts as a primary immunisation and then a vaccination boosts that up to the desired level. If you demonstrate an antibody response in the person that is broadly in line with what you expect from vaccination, then they shouldn't really be very different. One issue may be the specificity of the immunity, which may be narrow from wild infection, but the booster should take care of that, although no studies are available to show that an infection-vaccination combo is equivalent to 2 vaccinations.
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As far as clinical studys to demonstrate equivalence that is true but lab studies at least in pre print form from very reputable groups have demonstrated equivalent or superior antibody titres in infection/vaccination combination compared with two vaccines with the mRNA vaccines. The French seem to allowing this according to news reports.
One such study is here:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.29.21250653v1.full.pdf
 
Swinglowandslow said:
That is a brilliant example of aerosol spread. And it happens ,of course, in normal everyday breathing. ( the exertion projects it further, obviously, but everyone is using potential aerosol spread).
No problem outdoors much, but indoors...... This expelled breath recirculates and is readily breathed in by ( eventually) everyone in that room.

S/D wouldn't come into it in those circumstances.

I'm convinced that it is such aerosol spread that is/has caused this latest winter spike.
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I think that’s why flying is out for me this year at least.
No matter how safe they say it is .
I always seem to catch something on a flight.
 
Old Skier said:
Crickey, not that long ago we had a generation who were prepared to do as they were told for over 4 years. We now have some of the present generation that haven’t got the discipline to last for a year.

Are we becoming a society of “Jacks”.
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I don't think any of our generations have come out of this particularly well
 
Backache said:
As far as clinical studys to demonstrate equivalence that is true but lab studies at least in pre print form from very reputable groups have demonstrated equivalent or superior antibody titres in infection/vaccination combination compared with two vaccines with the mRNA vaccines. The French seem to allowing this according to news reports.
One such study is here:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.29.21250653v1.full.pdf
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That study asked a slightly different question, though, by comparing people who were seropositive with those who were seronegative. That is not quite the same as comparing people with a prior history of proven Covid with previously unaffected. It is not surprising that the seropositives mounted a stronger and faster response to vaccination, whether first or second. That study also only measured antibodies, and the immune response is more complex than that.

Either way, the French approach sounds very reasonable.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
That is a brilliant example of aerosol spread. And it happens ,of course, in normal everyday breathing. ( the exertion projects it further, obviously, but everyone is using potential aerosol spread).
No problem outdoors much, but indoors...... This expelled breath recirculates and is readily breathed in by ( eventually) everyone in that room.

S/D wouldn't come into it in those circumstances.

I'm convinced that it is such aerosol spread that is/has caused this latest winter spike.
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Isn’t that what face masks are supposed to limit to a minimum?
 
A friend of mine who is vulnerable says that if you go somewhere that there are runners then it's a bit like someone smoking near you or walking past - if you can smell the cigarette smoke that could be roughly the same as Covid in the air from their puffing and panting
 
Obviously some people will come out of COVID better than others....

Covid-19 has cost global workers $3.7 trillion:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/25/covid-19-workers-lost-earnings-ilo-job-losses

Meanwhile the billionaires out there have gained an extra $3.9 trillion:
https://www.businessinsider.com/bil...andemic-coronavirus-vaccines-2021-1?r=US&IR=T

That’s enough extra to pay for a worldwide Cover-19 vaccination programme...Will the rich involved consider giving a bit back? If Amazon founder Geoff Bezos behaviour is anything to go by it looks like the answer is an emphatic NO. He’s more concerned with stepping out of the limelight before questions are asked about how he, allegedly, cut back on delivery workers income:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/amazon-jeff-bezos-resignation-ftc-b1797000.html?xtor=ES-208-

Jarvis Cocker hit the nail square on with this: (CAUTION EXTREMELY SWEARY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCvYUaQXnE8
 
larmen said:
Isn’t that what face masks are supposed to limit to a minimum?
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No. they limit the effects of droplets, which SD combats.
But your breath is not limited by a mask. What you exhale from your lungs , whether through a mask or not, is the same amount going into the room, yes?
IOW the mask does not push your breath back into you ?
 
Swinglowandslow said:
No. they limit the effects of droplets, which SD combats.
But your breath is not limited by a mask. What you exhale from your lungs , whether through a mask or not, is the same amount going into the room, yes?
IOW the mask does not push your breath back into you ?
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But, don’t you just breath in your own co2 and die after awhile? I read that on Facebook ;-)

Ok, I was thinking droplets rather than fully airborne.
 
road2ruin said:
Wearing a mask isn’t advised whilst doing exercise as it does reduce breathing capacity.
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I don’t think it reduces breathing capacity as it’s full of gaps.
It just gets moist and damp and you end up wearing a bacteria ridden rag rubbing all over your face.
You could wear a buff/snood with a panty liner that you could change out which was recommended...
 
Jamesbrown said:
I don’t think it reduces breathing capacity as it’s full of gaps.
It just gets moist and damp and you end up wearing a bacteria ridden rag rubbing all over your face.
You could wear a buff/snood with a panty liner that you could change out which was recommended...
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I got the info from the WHO website. Someone on a FB site was suggesting that all joggers and cyclists etc should be forced to wear masks to prevent the ‘huge’ cloud of Covid that will follow them. It was pointed out that the WHO actually advise against mask wearing for exercise as it reduces breathing capacity.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
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That was discussed on the radio this morning and the belief was it still included the use of masks , gapping and some level of social distancing ?‍♂️
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You might hope that that would be the case - but the reporting of the words and my understanding of the demands does rather suggest a lifting of ALL covid restrictions and therefore gives substance and solid backing to the idea that a 'back to normal' is actually more than just a possibility - and so the expectation is set amongst those who have 'had enough'.

But that may just be the reporting and my reading of it. Anyway. There is time and there will be a time to come when we can reflect fully.
 
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