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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Ethan said:
It isn't really true to say that there were no issues in May. There was endemic virus in the community and it bubbled around until it got its opening, with some people going on holiday, Eat Out and schools and unis returning. It was never properly suppressed. The new normal was a stalemate. Lots more lives will be ruined, or ended, if we make the same mistake again.

On tests, most of the tests now done are Lateral Flow, not done 'for cause'. The number of people getting PCR tests because of symptoms is unknown and the DH will not say, if they even know.

According to the ONS, Covid deaths now are similar to the April peak, and since treatments are more effective now and the case fatality rate is lower, one must presume that reflects more cases rather than more testing.
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There has to come a time where the financial and mental well being of the nation will need to be considered

The scientist view will always be looking at the cautious to keep restrictions as long as possible to try and suppress the virus but the majority right now need to get back out and restart the country , our children need to get back into schools , businesses need to get up and working again , families need to meet each other

By the 8th March we would have been 8 weeks in lockdown , we all did it to allow the NHS to be protected , to allow the vaccine to get to the main vunerable groups - we have done what the government have asked of us. Any changing of that and the reaction won’t be good

In 3 weeks time unless something drastic happens we are going to look likely to be in a position to re open the country
 
Have not used notes and coin this year; in fact cannot remember the last time other than to slip a coin into a Supermarket trolley.

what do you use coins/ notes for now?
 
D-S said:
All over 50s and vulnerable groups represent about 30 million in UK, 14.5 million have had their first jab, half a million have had both already by mid Feb. At current rates we should have nearly all over 50s with one jab nearly by early Easter, 6 weeks away (when Liverpoolphil's timeline suggests Pubs and restaurants will open with restrictions) - one jab already confers a decent immunity and a significant proportion of the most vulnerable will have had their second jab. This timeline seems to be about sensible as the most at risk groups will have some protection and their will be still social distancing, mask use and reduced capacities etc. etc. We will also be getting the increased volumes of vaccines coming through by then as well.
Bodes well for a better late Spring and summer than some doom mongers have been muttering about.
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That isn't the timeline proposed, though. I agree, and stated above, that the key point in the timeline for me was when the top 9 groups were done. You need to allow 3 weeks for the effect to kick in too. I doubt we will have reached that point by Easter, but will be delighted if we do. Pressures on supply will be an issue and if the SA variant, or other variants currently bubbling under, gains a strong foothold, the effects will be diluted. My basic policy would be: DON'T FUDGE THIS UP NOW!
 
Liverpoolphil said:
There has to come a time where the financial and mental well being of the nation will need to be considered

The scientist view will always be looking at the cautious to keep restrictions as long as possible to try and suppress the virus but the majority right now need to get back out and restart the country , our children need to get back into schools , businesses need to get up and working again , families need to meet each other

By the 8th March we would have been 8 weeks in lockdown , we all did it to allow the NHS to be protected , to allow the vaccine to get to the main vunerable groups - we have done what the government have asked of us. Any changing of that and the reaction won’t be good

In 3 weeks time unless something drastic happens we are going to look likely to be in a position to re open the country
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If that happens, don't complain if further restrictions are needed later.
 
3offTheTee said:
Have not used notes and coin this year; in fact cannot remember the last time other than to slip a coin into a Supermarket trolley.

what do you use coins/ notes for now?
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The Chinese takeaways near me only take cash, cough HMRC, cough. That is the only cash I spend. I don't actually carry any, I have to specifically go to a cash machine on takeaway night.

Other than that I keep a few coins in the car for car parking although even that has not been a feature for a good while. I'll be happy when we go entirely cashless.
 
Ethan said:
If that happens, don't complain if further restrictions are needed later.
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There will be still a level of restrictions until the end of year - no one has suggested that everything just re opens with nothing in place

There will be masks , restrictions on numbers gathering inside , travel restrictions etc

We aren’t going to go back to normal

But many areas activities will restart safely

It’s needs to happen - I know the scientists will want us locked down until later in the year but it’s just not practical
 
Lord Tyrion said:
The Chinese takeaways near me only take cash, cough HMRC, cough. That is the only cash I spend. I don't actually carry any, I have to specifically go to a cash machine on takeaway night.

Other than that I keep a few coins in the car for car parking although even that has not been a feature for a good while. I'll be happy when we go entirely cashless.
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My industry has always been cash rich
In the past it wasn't unusual for me to have over £1k in my pocket if 3 or 4 of the kids had prepaid for a batch of lessons.
Managed to switch most of them over to Bank transfers but I still have a few that only want to pay with notes.
It builds up!
Sometime soon I'm going to wander into the bank to pay the credit card bill with a bunch of 20s....
 
Imurg said:
My industry has always been cash rich
In the past it wasn't unusual for me to have over £1k in my pocket if 3 or 4 of the kids had prepaid for a batch of lessons.
Managed to switch most of them over to Bank transfers but I still have a few that only want to pay with notes.
It builds up!
Sometime soon I'm going to wander into the bank to pay the credit card bill with a bunch of 20s....
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You will probably get an invitation for a chat ?. Money laundering must be tougher in a pandemic.

On a serious note that is quite a security risk. Have instructors been targeted in the past?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
There will be still a level of restrictions until the end of year - no one has suggested that everything just re opens with nothing in place

There will be masks , restrictions on numbers gathering inside , travel restrictions etc

We aren’t going to go back to normal

But many areas activities will restart safely

It’s needs to happen - I know the scientists will want us locked down until later in the year but it’s just not practical
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If the scientists had been listened to properly before, they wouldn't have to keep on saying this stuff. As to what is practical, you must know more than them about what twists there might be in the plot in the near future.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
You will probably get an invitation for a chat ?. Money laundering must be tougher in a pandemic.

On a serious note that is quite a security risk. Have instructors been targeted in the past?
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Not to my knowledge as we're always in the car so have a decent getaway plan.
It's also a risky robbery attempt as sometimes I can go a week or more without getting any cash at all...
Can't remember what it's like to get properly paid...hasn't happened since the end of October...:confused:
 
Imurg said:
Not to my knowledge as we're always in the car so have a decent getaway plan.
It's also a risky robbery attempt as sometimes I can go a week or more without getting any cash at all...
Can't remember what it's like to get properly paid...hasn't happened since the end of October...:confused:
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If not a decent getaway driver... :)
 
D-S said:
All over 50s and vulnerable groups represent about 30 million in UK, 14.5 million have had their first jab, half a million have had both already by mid Feb. At current rates we should have nearly all over 50s with one jab nearly by early Easter, 6 weeks away (when Liverpoolphil's timeline suggests Pubs and restaurants will open with restrictions) - one jab already confers a decent immunity and a significant proportion of the most vulnerable will have had their second jab. This timeline seems to be about sensible as the most at risk groups will have some protection and their will be still social distancing, mask use and reduced capacities etc. etc. We will also be getting the increased volumes of vaccines coming through by then as well.
Bodes well for a better late Spring and summer than some doom mongers have been muttering about.
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Is a Doom Monger someone who suggests it will only be safe to remove restrictions when infections and death rates fall to low sustainable levels?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
There will be still a level of restrictions until the end of year - no one has suggested that everything just re opens with nothing in place

There will be masks , restrictions on numbers gathering inside , travel restrictions etc

We aren’t going to go back to normal

But many areas activities will restart safely

It’s needs to happen - I know the scientists will want us locked down until later in the year but it’s just not practical
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I don’t agree with restrictions after the vulnerable have been vaccinated one bleeding iota - but that sounds the best compromise for everyone.
 
Ethan said:
If the scientists had been listened to properly before, they wouldn't have to keep on saying this stuff. As to what is practical, you must know more than them about what twists there might be in the plot in the near future.
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Which scientists? There have been scientists that say we should be in lock down until the end of the year - what does that say about their understanding of the world beyond science and numbers ?- you have scientists that say we should leave lockdown now

There is no doubt that it’s a hard choice - the balance between the science , the mental health , the economy must be hard

Millions have put their lives on hold , children’s future education on hold , businesses have gone Forever , jobs lost and it was at the request to protect our vunerable

We have done that and it’s gettin better so it will soon be time to allow life to move on - it needs to move on for the sake of millions
 
SocketRocket said:
Is a Doom Monger someone who suggests it will only be safe to remove restrictions when infections and death rates fall to low sustainable levels?
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Nope, a doom mongerer is someone who says there will be probably be no UK holidays this summer as if they know the infections and death rates will somehow change from this year’s and last year’s trend. Also they are the folks that say that visiting Europe might only be a possibility from summer 2020. They are also those who say that proper lockdown (not merely restrictions such as social distancing, mask wearing etc.) will need to last until the Autumn. They are also those who exactly do not look at this years trends of infections and death rates and hospitalisations compared with last year. Most importantly they are those who seem to forget that we locked down two and a half months earlier this year than last and also seem to think that vaccinating 6% of the adult population per week will not make one iota of difference.
 
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