Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Lilyhawk said:
Yeah, I can see that happening too. Although, I don't think it'll be actual "protests", but people seeing it as an opportunity to cause mayhem for the fun of it as they're idiots.



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I can certainly see demonstrations coming if this goes on too long. You look at some places and they have been under some form of restriction since the first lockdown. Even where I am, we have been in Tier 3 or 4 since the end of October/beginning of November and so we are just coming up to 3 months effectively in lockdown. If you take it to the end of March, there are places that have effectively been locked down for over 6 months.
 
It'll be interesting to find out how many of those 400 wedding guests actually catch the virus, if any.

20 years ago we attended a posh wedding in a giant marque with 100 guests, 99 of us caught the Flu, the bride's mother for some strange reason was the only exception .
The marque was heated by large gas fan heaters, I think this possibly made the situation worse.
This was the first and only time the wife and I had any kind of Flu, we thought we were dying . Fingers crossed .
 
Ethan out of idle chit chat with the wife. What would happen if a person had Pfizer jab and then due to no supply, illness or whatever had gone 15-16 etc weeks without the 2nd. Would they then have to start again from scratch. This is purely out of idle interest
 
Lilyhawk said:
Yeah, I can see that happening too. Although, I don't think it'll be actual "protests", but people seeing it as an opportunity to cause mayhem for the fun of it as they're idiots
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2011 all over again?
I remember the burning furniture store, the idiots ‘getting out taxes back’ looting, but I actually had to google what the reason was.
 
larmen said:
2011 all over again?
I remember the burning furniture store, the idiots ‘getting out taxes back’ looting, but I actually had to google what the reason was.
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Really hope not, but nothing surprises me anymore to be honest.
 
anotherdouble said:
Ethan out of idle chit chat with the wife. What would happen if a person had Pfizer jab and then due to no supply, illness or whatever had gone 15-16 etc weeks without the 2nd. Would they then have to start again from scratch. This is purely out of idle interest
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Probably would be fine. One shot of Pfizer triggers a very good immune response, perhaps as much as you ever need. You will develop antibodies but after a time, maybe 6 months or so, they will disappear. But you will also have immune memory, so if Covid paid you another visit, you would be able to quickly generate new antibodies. The body can't support having loads of antibody swirling around your circulation for everything you have ever encountered, so after a while, it sort of stands down the special forces and calls up reserves if needed.

The next vaccine due is from Johnson and Johnson, possibly reporting their headline results in the next few weeks. Their first trial is with a one shot vaccine (although they also have a 2 shot trial going a bit behind), so if that one has good results, it really raises the question of whether we need a booster at all. If I had received one Pfizer jab, I could be persuaded that was enough. I would need a stronger sell for the same if I had one AZ jab, though.

Option 2 is to have a second shot of whatever is available. There is a decent rationale for this too, but few have been tested. There is a trial ongoing with one shot of AZ and one shot of Russian Sputnik, which use similar but not identical methods.
 
Ethan said:
Probably would be fine. One shot of Pfizer triggers a very good immune response, perhaps as much as you ever need. You will develop antibodies but after a time, maybe 6 months or so, they will disappear. But you will also have immune memory, so if Covid paid you another visit, you would be able to quickly generate new antibodies. The body can't support having loads of antibody swirling around your circulation for everything you have ever encountered, so after a while, it sort of stands down the special forces and calls up reserves if needed.

The next vaccine due is from Johnson and Johnson, possibly reporting their headline results in the next few weeks. Their first trial is with a one shot vaccine (although they also have a 2 shot trial going a bit behind), so if that one has good results, it really raises the question of whether we need a booster at all. If I had received one Pfizer jab, I could be persuaded that was enough. I would need a stronger sell for the same if I had one AZ jab, though.

Option 2 is to have a second shot of whatever is available. There is a decent rationale for this too, but few have been tested. There is a trial ongoing with one shot of AZ and one shot of Russian Sputnik, which use similar but not identical methods.
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What you’ve outlined here is the main reason I decided on having the Pfizer over the AZ jab; if something does happen to slow or cancel my second jab, I’m probably in a better place.
 
Ethan said:
Probably would be fine. One shot of Pfizer triggers a very good immune response, perhaps as much as you ever need. You will develop antibodies but after a time, maybe 6 months or so, they will disappear. But you will also have immune memory, so if Covid paid you another visit, you would be able to quickly generate new antibodies. The body can't support having loads of antibody swirling around your circulation for everything you have ever encountered, so after a while, it sort of stands down the special forces and calls up reserves if needed.

The next vaccine due is from Johnson and Johnson, possibly reporting their headline results in the next few weeks. Their first trial is with a one shot vaccine (although they also have a 2 shot trial going a bit behind), so if that one has good results, it really raises the question of whether we need a booster at all. If I had received one Pfizer jab, I could be persuaded that was enough. I would need a stronger sell for the same if I had one AZ jab, though.

Option 2 is to have a second shot of whatever is available. There is a decent rationale for this too, but few have been tested. There is a trial ongoing with one shot of AZ and one shot of Russian Sputnik, which use similar but not identical methods.
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Thanks for in-depth response.
 
GB72 said:
I can certainly see demonstrations coming if this goes on too long. You look at some places and they have been under some form of restriction since the first lockdown. Even where I am, we have been in Tier 3 or 4 since the end of October/beginning of November and so we are just coming up to 3 months effectively in lockdown. If you take it to the end of March, there are places that have effectively been locked down for over 6 months.
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If they had taken more care to restrict transmission then maybe they wouldn't be in lockdown. Nobody to blame but ourselves.
 
SocketRocket said:
If they had taken more care to restrict transmission then maybe they wouldn't be in lockdown. Nobody to blame but ourselves.
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Not at all. Some areas were put in higher tiers because of activity elsewhere the in the county. Next to no instance of covid in our village (think one or 2 cases) everyone well behaved, been effectively in lockdown for 3 months. I am certainly not going to blame myself.
 
GB72 said:
Not at all. Some areas were put in higher tiers because of activity elsewhere the in the county. Next to no instance of covid in our village (think one or 2 cases) everyone well behaved, been effectively in lockdown for 3 months. I am certainly not going to blame myself.
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Same here with mine and HID's behaviour.
 
GB72 said:
Not at all. Some areas were put in higher tiers because of activity elsewhere the in the county. Next to no instance of covid in our village (think one or 2 cases) everyone well behaved, been effectively in lockdown for 3 months. I am certainly not going to blame myself.
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It's not possible to have tier or lockdown measures on a village basis, my region has been very low throughout but we are rounded up with neighbouring ones that aren't. Of course everyone isn't responsible but enough are when out of lockdown to create the infection and death rates we have been witnessing.
 
SocketRocket said:
It's not possible to have tier or lockdown measures on a village basis, my region has been very low throughout but we are rounded up with neighbouring ones that aren't. Of course everyone isn't responsible but enough are when out of lockdown to create the infection and death rates we have been witnessing.
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Fully accept that, just the wording of the original post that we are all to blame, we are not. Some people are to blame, many are not and others suffer as a result and so said others have a right to feel disgruntled about being locked down (which was the point of the original post). Me, I have pretty much reached the end of my tether. I have followed the rules pretty much to the letter, I have not interacted with another human being who is not my wife or my boss as work for 3 months and I am struggling like hell at weekends, no energy, no motivation, no pressure valve to release the stress from the working week and I have done this solidly for 3 months and, to be honest, had limited contact before that. I am actually reaching the stage where i understand why people travel to walk, why people say sod it and have friends round etc because I am losing the plot a bit to be honest (basically work is keeping me sane).
 
SocketRocket said:
It's not possible to have tier or lockdown measures on a village basis, my region has been very low throughout but we are rounded up with neighbouring ones that aren't. Of course everyone isn't responsible but enough are when out of lockdown to create the infection and death rates we have been witnessing.
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Or maybe we were never going to beat it with the measures taken? ie, Deliveries via road, rail etc moving up and down the Country, International travel corridors open.

Obviously, imo, idiots misbehaving take some responsibility, but without a national lockdown and stop everything (which wasn’t feasible) the virus was still going to spread.
 
pauldj42 said:
Or maybe we were never going to beat it with the measures taken? ie, Deliveries via road, rail etc moving up and down the Country, International travel corridors open.

Obviously, imo, idiots misbehaving take some responsibility, but without a national lockdown and stop everything (which wasn’t feasible) the virus was still going to spread.
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I agree that we can't stop every single form of movement but in my opinion we would not be in lockdown now if more people had been responsible with their actions.

Also when I say 'We' I'm talking collectively and not individually.
 
SocketRocket said:
I agree that we can't stop every single form of movement but in my opinion we would not be in lockdown now if more people had been responsible with their actions.

Also when I say 'We' I'm talking collectively and not individually.
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But, maybe we would be, maybe putting us in the same type of Lockdown in Oct/Nov may of saved thousands of lives, but with shops, business’s and every other thing pushing the envelope we’d of still needed this lockdown.

Last April we were warned the Autumn and Winter ahead were possibly going to be rough.
 
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