Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Kellfire said:
I have friends who work in health who have been given their first dose on the agreement the second dose would be within three weeks. Two of them were told later that day that it would now be twelve weeks. They are considering legal action becauae of the paperwork they signed to get their first dose and the contract has been broken without evidence to support it.

If this decision ends up causing reduced immunity, it is surely the last straw for this administration.
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I thought we were all in this together?

Paperwork aside, they are angry because the second dose they were supposed to have, will be going to someone else, which will most likely keep them out of hospital and could save their life? Can't use the word I'd like to describe them here, but what lovely people!
 
Kellfire said:
I have friends who work in health who have been given their first dose on the agreement the second dose would be within three weeks. Two of them were told later that day that it would now be twelve weeks. They are considering legal action becauae of the paperwork they signed to get their first dose and the contract has been broken without evidence to support it.

If this decision ends up causing reduced immunity, it is surely the last straw for this administration.
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That also sums up the state of the selfish nation we have become

The medical profession have decided to space out the vaccines to allow more of the country to gain a level of immunity

Maybe instead of looking to sue they should be thankful they are in a position to gain the first vaccine to give themselves some level of immunity whilst others haven’t yet
 
Kellfire said:
I have friends who work in health who have been given their first dose on the agreement the second dose would be within three weeks. Two of them were told later that day that it would now be twelve weeks. They are considering legal action becauae of the paperwork they signed to get their first dose and the contract has been broken without evidence to support it.

If this decision ends up causing reduced immunity, it is surely the last straw for this administration.
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Just to clear this up.
Some people have been lucky enough to have received their first vaccine, and are now taking legal action for their 2nd?
Jesus christ, sorry but what a bunch of winkers.
 
bobmac said:
Ethan, have you seen any reports from Dr. John Campbell?
He seems to be well informed

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I have. I don't follow his stuff. It seems pretty reasonable and uncontroversial and fine to explain some scientific concepts to a lay audience but I don't think he is a real expert. There is another Dr John Campbell in Glasgow or Edinburgh who is an academic immunologist and I think some people have conflated their credentials.
 
Kellfire said:
I have friends who work in health who have been given their first dose on the agreement the second dose would be within three weeks. Two of them were told later that day that it would now be twelve weeks. They are considering legal action becauae of the paperwork they signed to get their first dose and the contract has been broken without evidence to support it.

If this decision ends up causing reduced immunity, it is surely the last straw for this administration.
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Are you saying they would have declined the 1st vaccine if they knew they would have to wait 12 weeks to get the 2nd? That really does not come across well in their favour.
 
Kellfire said:
I have friends who work in health who have been given their first dose on the agreement the second dose would be within three weeks. Two of them were told later that day that it would now be twelve weeks. They are considering legal action becauae of the paperwork they signed to get their first dose and the contract has been broken without evidence to support it.

If this decision ends up causing reduced immunity, it is surely the last straw for this administration.
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I think they need to get better legal advice, i.e. to save their money. IANAL, but consent is not a binding contract for the provision of services. Also, they would have to show harm, (as opposed to upset) which they will not be able to do. It may even be that the delayed schedule has better longer term protection. There is some evidence from the AZ data set to suggest this.

My wife is an NHS doctor who got one shot and had the second one postponed, even though her employer expects her to see first line patients including, if necessary, those with Covid. She isn't suing anybody.

Your friends should consider themselves fortunate to have received a dose of a highly effective vaccine which has conferred almost complete protection, and understand that if they are anxious to see society get back to normal, prioritising first vaccinations is a reasonable policy.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Are you saying they would have declined the 1st vaccine if they knew they would have to wait 12 weeks to get the 2nd? That really does not come across well in their favour.
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They’re saying they were promised a scientifically backed vaccination program to allow them to return to work safely but after they had agreed to it, they had the goalposts moved illegally (as per the paperwork they had to complete to receive their vaccinations) in a manner that is highly suggestive that they were duped into accepting it when it was known the three week window was a false promise.

The point here is they believe they were lied to and they believe it may we worth taking legal action to find out if that was the case - were they told three weeks when those overseeing knew it would be twelve.

They do believe they are at lesser risk of contracting Covid now, even with just one dose, but that’s not their ultimate grievance.
 
Interesting listening to Sumption, Deborah James and others on The Big Questions on the BBC yesterday morning. My Mrs is a great fan of Deborah James as a advocate for all with a cancer (and other serious conditions) - and she's not a great fan of the views of Sumption. Separate from the elderly and those with serious lower immunity - I'm wondering whether Sumption considers all of the BAME community to be part of the 'more vulnerable' and so who should be shielding to allow 'the rest of us' to get on with life.
 
upsidedown said:
And to counter that my wife who is a vaccinator gets half a dozen a day ask her if they can have their picture taken as they receive their dose , out of the 60-80 she does in a 12 hour shift
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There was something on the news this morning about some people turning out in their Sunday best, women in full makeup just to get their jabs. They're having to usher them out as they just want to hang around and chat.
Quite charming imo.
 
Ethan said:
I think they need to get better legal advice, i.e. to save their money. IANAL, but consent is not a binding contract for the provision of services. Also, they would have to show harm, (as opposed to upset) which they will not be able to do. It may even be that the delayed schedule has better longer term protection. There is some evidence from the AZ data set to suggest this.

My wife is an NHS doctor who got one shot and had the second one postponed, even though her employer expects her to see first line patients including, if necessary, those with Covid. She isn't suing anybody.

Your friends should consider themselves fortunate to have received a dose of a highly effective vaccine which has conferred almost complete protection, and understand that if they are anxious to see society get back to normal, prioritising first vaccinations is a reasonable policy.
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See post above. It’s about the deception and at what point do we challenge a constantly deceptive administration.
 
Kellfire said:
They’re saying they were promised a scientifically backed vaccination program to allow them to return to work safely but after they had agreed to it, they had the goalposts moved illegally (as per the paperwork they had to complete to receive their vaccinations) in a manner that is highly suggestive that they were duped into accepting it when it was known the three week window was a false promise.

The point here is they believe they were lied to and they believe it may we worth taking legal action to find out if that was the case - were they told three weeks when those overseeing knew it would be twelve.

They do believe they are at lesser risk of contracting Covid now, even with just one dose, but that’s not their ultimate grievance.
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Seriously - lied to...? They need to get a life as like the rest of us they risk losing it. Would they have accepted the vaccination if they had known they might not get the second dose for 12weeks - no - of course they wouldn't have...yeh - right...

You can't deceive about what is to come if you don't know the future truth but only know what is true today.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Seriously - lied to...? They need to get a life as like the rest of us they risk losing it. Would they have accepted the vaccination if they had known they might not get the second dose for 12weeks - no - of course they wouldn't have...yeh - right...

You can't deceive if you don't know the future truth but only know what is true today.
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Look at the time line involved. The very same afternoon they were told.
 
DanFST said:
Good news, We are now vaccinating faster than infections.

Hopefully a light at the end of the tunnel. You have to hand it to the government in this one instance, we are currently doing very well.

May annoy some, but in this instance, Brexit helped us.
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Said exactly the same to the mrs yesterday. Its easy to look back with the benefit of hindsight and see where they coukd have done (a lot) better but theyve done exceptionally well getting the vaccine rolled out so far, beating many expert predictions.
 
Kellfire said:
They’re saying they were promised a scientifically backed vaccination program to allow them to return to work safely but after they had agreed to it, they had the goalposts moved illegally (as per the paperwork they had to complete to receive their vaccinations) in a manner that is highly suggestive that they were duped into accepting it when it was known the three week window was a false promise.

The point here is they believe they were lied to and they believe it may we worth taking legal action to find out if that was the case - were they told three weeks when those overseeing knew it would be twelve.

They do believe they are at lesser risk of contracting Covid now, even with just one dose, but that’s not their ultimate grievance.
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They need to have a very strong look at themselves if they believe this a good course of action, or give their heads a wobble as Tuggles would say. The sympathy within the country for this attitude would be heavily in the negative column.

The move from 3 weeks to 12 weeks was a fluid one, a suggestion that carried merit and picked up momentum. It is sad that they see something terrible in that.
 
DanFST said:
They are both selfish See ya next tuesdays.

At least almost all of us can see that apart from you. No need to add anymore really.
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DanFST said:
They are both selfish See ya next tuesdays.

At least almost all of us can see that apart from you. No need to add anymore really.
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Selfish for wanting to safely return to their jobs helping other people. Good one.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
They need to have a very strong look at themselves if they believe this a good course of action, or give their heads a wobble as Tuggles would say. The sympathy within the country for this attitude would be heavily in the negative column.

The move from 3 weeks to 12 weeks was a fluid one, a suggestion that carried merit and picked up momentum. It is sad that they see something terrible in that.
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I haven’t spoken to either since the day after it happened so perhaps their anger has subsided. I don’t know. But I certainly don’t blame them for they initial anger at least.
 
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