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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Live and let live folks, just seems that lockdown is kicking in for too many forummers, keen to have a pop at whomever over literally nothing. For a forum to work it needs some opposing views and contentions, even the odd devils advocate.

Chill - Here's a nice photo I took at sunset this afternoon out with the pooch, lovely stuff ;) -

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maxfli65 said:
Live and let live folks, just seems that lockdown is kicking in for too many forummers, keen to have a pop at whomever over literally nothing. For a forum to work it needs some opposing views and contentions, even the odd devils advocate.

Chill - Here's a nice photo I took at sunset this afternoon out with the pooch, lovely stuff ;) -

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Amen to that brother. Lovely photo.
 
Traminator said:
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It appears very simple, meeting up for a group sing song is clearly not allowed in Tier 2.
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We will not be socialising and your characterisation as a group sing-song a church choir with individuals all facing the one direction, not mixing and standing 2m from the next member is disingenuous. Look - I’m not organising this and our minister is a stickler for the rules. If there was any doubt about whether or not we could do this we would not be doing it - believe me.
 
Re these Covid lockdown rules I fully understand what’s what. What I don’t understand or believe is that the scientists who are supposed to be guiding and advising the government are actually coming up with these plans.
I remember when it kicked off in March on here re us having grandkids. Both parents and parents partners are coppers. We have grandkids a hell of a lot. They have helped to keep us sane. I really do feel for grandparents who have not been able to see there grandkids as much as they would like. Young Layla Tash is playing with her her noisy Rizmo, it’s getting on me nerves.Wouldn’t have it any other way.
 
GreiginFife said:
So, lemme get this right... you fully understand the rules (i.e. 100% understand) then want to check of you are 100% understanding? Come on man, your posts are nothing more than thinly veiled digs at the rules and, more importantly, the rule makers. And its wearing thin with many forumers by the looks of it.

On several topics you twist and turn your point of view to suit a certain context. Its actually a little tragic but also a little amusing as well.
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I think it's a case of posting things hoping/knowing it'll get a reaction and then seeming surprised when people bite and replay in a way he doesn't like
 
PhilTheFragger said:
Are you going to test your understanding by maybe driving to Barnard Castle? ??

Surely you must be fully aware of the rules by now, you’ve discussed them enough
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You know what - I thought we don’t do personal criticism stuff on these boards - I thought that the mods were clamping down on that sort of stuff. Clearly it seems that doesn’t apply across the board.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
I think it's a case of posting things hoping/knowing it'll get a reaction and then seeming surprised when people bite and replay in a way he doesn't like
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please explain. I am simply trying to make sure I get things right - many on here are asked one question about the rules and that is all that I have done. The second point was simply a gratitude that my church choir is able to record hymns and carols for our on-line church services. Both my potential trip to my mil and the choir were two situations where coronavirus has affected me - and I believe that that is what this thread is all about.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
We will not be socialising and your characterisation as a group sing-song a church choir with individuals all facing the one direction, not mixing and standing 2m from the next member is disingenuous. Look - I’m not organising this and our minister is a stickler for the rules. If there was any doubt about whether or not we could do this we would not be doing it - believe me.
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Just because the minister is a stickler for the rules it doesn’t mean he is correct in his interpratation, you have the freedom of choice to disagree with him and not attend.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
We will not be socialising and your characterisation as a group sing-song a church choir with individuals all facing the one direction, not mixing and standing 2m from the next member is disingenuous. Look - I’m not organising this and our minister is a stickler for the rules. If there was any doubt about whether or not we could do this we would not be doing it - believe me.
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This would suggest that you shouldn't be doing it......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55087314

Specifically the bit that says....

"Tory MP Andrew Selous - who speaks for the Church of England - said "churches and cathedrals can now approach Advent and Christmas with certainty."
Indoor singing would be limited to formal performers, he added, but everyone can take part outdoors."

""The further good news is that while indoor singing is limited to performers only, we can all take part in outdoor and door-to-door singing, staying two metres apart or away from the threshold, and nativity plays for under-18s are permitted in accordance with the performing arts guidance," he added. "
 
ColchesterFC said:
This would suggest that you shouldn't be doing it......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55087314

Specifically the bit that says....

"Tory MP Andrew Selous - who speaks for the Church of England - said "churches and cathedrals can now approach Advent and Christmas with certainty."
Indoor singing would be limited to formal performers, he added, but everyone can take part outdoors."

""The further good news is that while indoor singing is limited to performers only, we can all take part in outdoor and door-to-door singing, staying two metres apart or away from the threshold, and nativity plays for under-18s are permitted in accordance with the performing arts guidance," he added. "
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They'll be a loophole or it won't be understood
 
ColchesterFC said:
This would suggest that you shouldn't be doing it......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55087314

Specifically the bit that says....

"Tory MP Andrew Selous - who speaks for the Church of England - said "churches and cathedrals can now approach Advent and Christmas with certainty."
Indoor singing would be limited to formal performers, he added, but everyone can take part outdoors."

""The further good news is that while indoor singing is limited to performers only, we can all take part in outdoor and door-to-door singing, staying two metres apart or away from the threshold, and nativity plays for under-18s are permitted in accordance with the performing arts guidance," he added. "
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Our choir comprises a formal set of performers. We will not be socialising or mingling in any way. Our access to the sanctuary will be controlled, cleaning our hands as we enter, and we will have an individualised allocated spot/seat marked on the floor where we must stand and sit. We wear face coverings throughout; will not gather together at any time closer than the social distancing rules permit and will leave the building immediately we have finished. And the doors of the church will be wide open throughout so it’ll be drafty and cold.

We are doing this - not so much for the enjoyment of the choir - that enjoyment is going to be limited by the circumstances - but so that we can create a ‘soundtrack‘ for the on-line services for folks at home to enjoy and join in with if they wish.
 
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ColchesterFC said:
This would suggest that you shouldn't be doing it......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55087314

Specifically the bit that says....

"Tory MP Andrew Selous - who speaks for the Church of England - said "churches and cathedrals can now approach Advent and Christmas with certainty."
Indoor singing would be limited to formal performers, he added, but everyone can take part outdoors."

""The further good news is that while indoor singing is limited to performers only, we can all take part in outdoor and door-to-door singing, staying two metres apart or away from the threshold, and nativity plays for under-18s are permitted in accordance with the performing arts guidance," he added. "
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I take my point back, your link suggests HE CAN as the choir are recording the hymns, ie only the formal performers.
 
Traminator said:
See post 11644, I've already quoted the relevant part of the rule for you.

You may go to church to worship, but you may not socialise with people outside of your household indoors.

Going with your wife for some prayer, or chat with the minister re spiritual stuff, is worship.
Arranging to meet a group of other people who you don't live with for an organised sing song is socialising, and is specifically mentioned.
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See Colchesters post. Choirs are allowed.
 
Traminator said:
See post 11644, I've already quoted the relevant part of the rule for you.

You may go to church to worship, but you may not socialise with people outside of your household indoors.

Going with your wife for some prayer, or chat with the minister re spiritual stuff, is worship.
Arranging to meet a group of other people who you don't live with for an organised sing song is socialising, and is specifically mentioned.
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imight suggest your understanding of worship is narrow.
 
All rather hinges upon the definition of "formal performers".

Similar to debate over golf practice or playing golf and, of course, as some on here have said we shouldn't be looking for our activities to be seen or treated differently to all others.
 
pauldj42 said:
See Colchesters post. Choirs are allowed.
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Depends on whether choir members are classed as "formal performers" or not. My take on it would be that a "formal performer" would be a paid singer rather than a group of amateurs getting together in a choir for a sing song. But that's just my opinion on it and how I'm reading the rules. I would also suggest that getting together as part of a choir would class as "socialising with others" which is banned indoors.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Depends on whether choir members are classed as "formal performers" or not. My take on it would be that a "formal performer" would be a paid singer rather than a group of amateurs getting together in a choir for a sing song. But that's just my opinion on it and how I'm reading the rules. I would also suggest that getting together as part of a choir would class as "socialising with others" which is banned indoors.
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Ok then - that definition of ‘formal’ is of course nonsense as I can’t recall us ever paying anyone to put on any form of performance singing, spoken or acted at church - but ok I’ll join in the fun - let’s just say that we each of us members of the choir get paid in kind by the thanks of others. Or maybe we each get given (paid) 1p as we leave. That makes us all ’formal’ performers?
 
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