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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Blue in Munich said:
That's your choice, but how about presenting it slightly more reasonably in your original post?

My Mrs has just spent half an hour on the phone trying to reassure a member of staff with issues caused in no small part by people screaming about the number of cases and how the end of the world is nigh.

Simply shouting about the numbers is not helpful.
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I wasn't screaming the end of the world is nigh, you can blame that on the evangelicals and the book of revelations. I was simply reminding folk that this virus isn't going away soon and if I want to gather with friends, I'll do it when I feel it's safe and not when some MP tells me to do so.
 
This is where I am trying to be more understanding. Some people are not comfortable going out, that is fine, stay home as much as possible. Some people can afford not to work, that is great but don't judge others who are. Some people need social contact for their own mental health, great, stick to the rules but go out and see people. Some people have been missing a pint in the pub which was the highlight of their week. Great, follow the rules and have a beer.

There is not one situation that will fit everyone. Take the people in parks during lockdown, easy to judge them when you are in a nice house that you can walk out into the countryside from but think if they were in an inner city environment. If you were the same and could get out of a flat for an hour a day would you be heading to the nearest green space, I would.

Too many people want to create partisan news stories out of this when actually what we need is a bit of understanding as to other people's positions. There will always be idiots and the prss will be looking for them to try and create a sensationalist story. For every rave etc you can bet that there are a group of respected pillars of the community in their later years having a big barbecue or a house party etc. No one group is to blame and no one group is totally clear of all wrongdoing, the only common factor amongst the major breaches is a lack of respect for others and their community.
 
GB72 said:
This is where I am trying to be more understanding. Some people are not comfortable going out, that is fine, stay home as much as possible. Some people can afford not to work, that is great but don't judge others who are. Some people need social contact for their own mental health, great, stick to the rules but go out and see people. Some people have been missing a pint in the pub which was the highlight of their week. Great, follow the rules and have a beer.

There is not one situation that will fit everyone. Take the people in parks during lockdown, easy to judge them when you are in a nice house that you can walk out into the countryside from but think if they were in an inner city environment. If you were the same and could get out of a flat for an hour a day would you be heading to the nearest green space, I would.

Too many people want to create partisan news stories out of this when actually what we need is a bit of understanding as to other people's positions. There will always be idiots and the prss will be looking for them to try and create a sensationalist story. For every rave etc you can bet that there are a group of respected pillars of the community in their later years having a big barbecue or a house party etc. No one group is to blame and no one group is totally clear of all wrongdoing, the only common factor amongst the major breaches is a lack of respect for others and their community.
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Get out of here with your reasonableness!
 
MetalMickie said:
Actually I made no mention of groups of 30 or garden parties.

I was referring to raves a House Parties.

In any event, I may be wrong but I thought 30 as a limit applied only to hatch match and dispatch! i.e. christenings, weddings and funerals.
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it is now :) I miisunderstood the parties you were referring to. sorry.
 
Kaz said:
I don't think it's that simple, sadly. We wouldn't suggest that those who want to drive at 120 mph should do so if they feel the risk is acceptable and those who are terrified of crashing should stick to the limits.
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That is looking at it from totally the wrong angle. The point made is if you want to drive 70 on the motorway then that is fine but if you do not feel that you are comfortable, drive at 50 if you want. The point being made is that there is no compulsion to take the rules to the limit, if you do not want to do everything that you are permitted to do then don't, say at home.
 
Kaz said:
Ah. I thought the post I replied to was advocating people should be free to do whatever they felt comfortable with despite any govt restrictions.

I stand corrected.
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Could be me, I read it as do what you want within the rules but don't feel you have to.
 
Been running around to find options to get my son tested. i just realised that there are a few options for testing
1) Open to all >> Free >> NHS testing > No availability anywhere
2) Private
a) via insurance >> some cos like Vitality cover it. You pay some money 20-50 quid to get the test done.
b) Private-Private >> Some GP practices provide the service ... cost 100-200
3) Home swab.. Lloyds pharmacy does this.. currently about £99 for the kit. It does take a few days due to postal timing

4) Grin & bear it

I am past blaming our Govt for such things.. We reap whatever the majority vote for..
 
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Mudball said:
Been running around to find options to get my son tested. i just realised that there are a few options for testing
1) Open to all >> Free >> NHS testing > No availability anywhere
2) Private
a) via insurance >> some cos like Vitality cover it. You pay some money 20-50 quid to get the test done.
b) Private-Private >> Some GP practices provide the service ... cost 100-200
3) Home swab.. Lloyds pharmacy does this.. currently about £99 for the kit. It does take a few days due to postal timing

4) Grin & bear it

I am past blaming our Govt for such things.. We reap whatever the majority vote for..
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But how accurate are the tests?

My wife was admitted to Hospital on Saturday, she has autoimmune Hepatitis. On admission she had a test for Covid. She was all clear, Today she had another test and it has come back positive. She called me, upset thinking she has contracted it in hospital. She has calmed down some now as the Liver specialist has said she might not have it as they are getting patients testing positive then following it up with 3 or 4 negative tests!
BTW the no visitors rule is bloody hard... Understandable, but hard. :(
 
Fade and Die said:
But how accurate are the tests?

My wife was admitted to Hospital on Saturday, she has autoimmune Hepatitis. On admission she had a test for Covid. She was all clear, Today she had another test and it has come back positive. She called me, upset thinking she has contracted it in hospital. She has calmed down some now as the Liver specialist has said she might not have it as they are getting patients testing positive then following it up with 3 or 4 negative tests!
BTW the no visitors rule is bloody hard... Understandable, but hard. :(
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FnD... sorry to hear about the situation. Hopefully it will get better soon

It is a very good question... While the track & trace has been an omnishambles, i am hoping atleast the tests are accurate. I am sure there will be a level of false positives, but hopefully that is statistically insignificant
 
Mudball said:
FnD... sorry to hear about the situation. Hopefully it will get better soon

It is a very good question... While the track & trace has been an omnishambles, i am hoping atleast the tests are accurate. I am sure there will be a level of false positives, but hopefully that is statistically insignificant
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Thank you, I am also hoping its just a false positive. The hospital hasn't moved her to any special ward just put a curtain around her. They also haven't retested her yet!:mad:
 
Kaz said:
Ah. I thought the post I replied to was advocating people should be free to do whatever they felt comfortable with despite any govt restrictions.

I stand corrected.
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I read it like you did also and it still seems to say that. Unless " present
Conditions "means present rules and government restrictions.
 
Fade and Die said:
But how accurate are the tests?

My wife was admitted to Hospital on Saturday, she has autoimmune Hepatitis. On admission she had a test for Covid. She was all clear, Today she had another test and it has come back positive. She called me, upset thinking she has contracted it in hospital. She has calmed down some now as the Liver specialist has said she might not have it as they are getting patients testing positive then following it up with 3 or 4 negative tests!
BTW the no visitors rule is bloody hard... Understandable, but hard. :(
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There are several explanations for this.

1. She was infected with Covid at admission, but not enough to trigger a positive test. It takes about 2 days.

2. One or other test is wrong. There is a false positive and a false negative rate. In a population, false positives are preferable to false negatives because it is better to isolate someone who doesn't need isolating that fail to isolate someone who does need it. There is a trade off between FP and FN, so to get less of one, you kinda have to accept more of the other. Therefore the tests are more biased towards false positives. It is possible that people test positive then negative if they are asymptomatic and are first tested on day 4 or 5 of their infectivity, then a repeat on day 8 when the test had dropped back to negative. It doesn't mean the positive was a false positive.

3. Some element of her condition or treatment interfered with the test.

Anyway, hope she is OK with regard to her liver and any Covid she might have.
 
Ethan said:
There are several explanations for this.

1. She was infected with Covid at admission, but not enough to trigger a positive test. It takes about 2 days.

2. One or other test is wrong. There is a false positive and a false negative rate. In a population, false positives are preferable to false negatives because it is better to isolate someone who doesn't need isolating that fail to isolate someone who does need it. There is a trade off between FP and FN, so to get less of one, you kinda have to accept more of the other. Therefore the tests are more biased towards false positives. It is possible that people test positive then negative if they are asymptomatic and are first tested on day 4 or 5 of their infectivity, then a repeat on day 8 when the test had dropped back to negative. It doesn't mean the positive was a false positive.

3. Some element of her condition or treatment interfered with the test.

Anyway, hope she is OK with regard to her liver and any Covid she might have.
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Thank you, I suppose time will tell on both issues.... I thought they might of retested her but they don’t seem to be in much of a hurry to do anything.
 
There will never be an end to Covid.

It will never go away.

We have to get used to it and get used to living with it.

Flu came along, killed hundreds of thousands. We live with it. It's part of our everyday lives.

Cancer kills millions.

We don't stop eating foods and living lifestyles that increase the risks of getting it.

We can't live in fear forever.

They say 1 in 2.5 people will get cancer.

The odds of catching covid are 44 million to one.

If you did catch it, it's 1 in a 100 percent chance of dying.

I'll take those odds.

I'd rather myself and my children's lives be full of enjoyment and freedom than live a life suppressed and full of fear.

Get the sports stadiums back open.

Theme parks as they were before.

Get the leisure centres back up and running. Put concerts and festivals on.

If people don't wanna risk it then don't go.

Give us the decision on how to live our lives.

To quote the Shawshank, it's time to either get busy living or get busy dying.

I know which I'd rather do.....

*copied but agree entirely.
 
40 miles up the road there is a small city called Lorca, pop 92,000. In the last week there's been a smidge short of 500 NEW cases. Some might say, "what do you expect with all the testing going on." However, several hospital wards are now full, and that's the ones that aren't too ill. ICU has already gone past being full, and seriously ill patients are also now in operating theatres, induction rooms and theatre recovery.

Lorca has been placed back in to phase 1 of lockdown. Not quite full on, can't go out lockdown of phase 0 but the very next level. Two people can go shopping but one person gets to stay outside the shop, or go to another shop. Exercise consists of a 1km walk once a day. And the time of that walk depends on their age. Bars and restaurants are closed.
 
fundy said:
"They say 1 in 2.5 people will get cancer.

The odds of catching covid are 44 million to one.

If you did catch it, it's 1 in a 100 percent chance of dying. "


Consistent maths not their strong point I guess
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If the odds of catching Covid are 44 million to 1, I guess only 1.5 people in the UK caught it?
 
Hobbit said:
40 miles up the road there is a small city called Lorca, pop 92,000. In the last week there's been a smidge short of 500 NEW cases. Some might say, "what do you expect with all the testing going on." However, several hospital wards are now full, and that's the ones that aren't too ill. ICU has already gone past being full, and seriously ill patients are also now in operating theatres, induction rooms and theatre recovery.

Lorca has been placed back in to phase 1 of lockdown. Not quite full on, can't go out lockdown of phase 0 but the very next level. Two people can go shopping but one person gets to stay outside the shop, or go to another shop. Exercise consists of a 1km walk once a day. And the time of that walk depends on their age. Bars and restaurants are closed.
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doesnt sound good :( stay safe
 
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