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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

fundy said:
and in what timescale, as the cancer stat quoted is lifetime, thats not lifetime chance
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This is the article that the 44 in a million comes from. No idea about the cancer stats etc.

‪THE odds of catching Covid-19 in England are about 44 in a million a day, official figures show.

There are between 1,200 and 4,200 new infections a day, testing figures from the Office for National Statistics suggest.


And many of those infected will not even know they have it. Only about one person in 100 dies after being infected and another one in 100 suffer long-term effects.
There is just a one in two million chance of dying from Covid-19 in England.
That means coronavirus is as risky as taking a bath or skiing — and considerably less risky than scuba diving or sky diving.

Economist Tim Harford examined the numbers collated by the ONS to assess the current risk.
Tim, who presents the BBC Radio 4 statistics programme More or Less, said: “Covid-19 currently presents a background risk of a one in a million chance of death or lasting harm, every day.
“The risk of death alone is one in two million.”

Tim explained he started doing the maths when a friend in self-isolation asked him what the risks really were.

He said: “Simply existing in a country where the virus is suppressed but circulating is not so risky.
“It depends on age, gender, geography, behaviour and much else.

“But on average it is similar to taking a bath, going skiing, or a short motorbike ride, and considerably less risky than a scuba dive or a skydive.”
“My friend will have to make his own decisions, as we all will.
“But the risk to most individuals in the UK seems modest, for now.”
 
Fade and Die said:
But how accurate are the tests?

My wife was admitted to Hospital on Saturday, she has autoimmune Hepatitis. On admission she had a test for Covid. She was all clear, Today she had another test and it has come back positive. She called me, upset thinking she has contracted it in hospital. She has calmed down some now as the Liver specialist has said she might not have it as they are getting patients testing positive then following it up with 3 or 4 negative tests!
BTW the no visitors rule is bloody hard... Understandable, but hard. :(
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Sorry to hear. Hope things work out well.
 
Fish said:
There will never be an end to Covid.

It will never go away.

We have to get used to it and get used to living with it.

Flu came along, killed hundreds of thousands. We live with it. It's part of our everyday lives.

Cancer kills millions.

We don't stop eating foods and living lifestyles that increase the risks of getting it.

We can't live in fear forever.

They say 1 in 2.5 people will get cancer.

The odds of catching covid are 44 million to one.

If you did catch it, it's 1 in a 100 percent chance of dying.

I'll take those odds.

I'd rather myself and my children's lives be full of enjoyment and freedom than live a life suppressed and full of fear.

Get the sports stadiums back open.

Theme parks as they were before.

Get the leisure centres back up and running. Put concerts and festivals on.

If people don't wanna risk it then don't go.

Give us the decision on how to live our lives.

To quote the Shawshank, it's time to either get busy living or get busy dying.

I know which I'd rather do.....

*copied but agree entirely.
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Come on, sound bites which show hope rather than sense.

Some is true, some is not. Cancer isn't contagious. Covid is.
You want to smoke and contract cancer, fine, your choice, do it and take your chance ( we'll leave the passive argument to one side for the moment)

But you go to a venue and behave where the odds are pretty much that you'll get Covid. Concerts festivals etc, and you get the Covid which you're willing to take your chances with- fine so far.
But then , living your free life, you'll go close to some vulnerable or elderly person, who you are advocating should be living a similar carefree life,( or maybe they are being careful, but their bus seat is next to yours,) and they get your Covid and likely hospital and maybe die.
And those poor buggers who go to work every day in hospital living on top of Covid , in amongst it, as they nurse and try to save their Covid patients- they have to take their chances too.
But that's OK, is it?

Because you can't wait for a few months for a vaccine which will give most a
chance.

If the case was that how you treat Covid would only affect you, then I agree
it should be your choice.

But that is not it.
 
Look how many cases we’re seeing and this is with most people still following social distancing and isolating when needed. It’s a few selfish, ignorant morons who are keeping the prevalence up.

For anyone who think it’s not even that serious a disease, you should be forced to read the daily records of patients who have it - young and old! I’ve done that for many patients including some in their 30s with no previous health conditions and their experience is horrendous. I’m also seeing many have follow up care after they’re “recovered” that shows the long term scarring to their lungs and inflammation of their hearts. The heart issues MAY subside in time but we have no idea yet.

Also, many people whinge about having the flu when in reality they’ve got nothing more than a cold. The flu is often massively debilitating and floors previously healthy people for weeks or months.

So far the evidence I’ve seen is that the short to medium term effects are the flu on steroids in terms of the way it affects the body.

So for anyone who spouts conspiracy theory nonsense, who claims it isn’t true because THEY don’t know anyone who has it it... be thankful because it’s either because your friends and family are being much more cautious than you are or it’s blind luck and you’ll get it sooner than you might think.
 
Whatever my son brought from school, he has kindly passed to me. Have lost my voice and inflamed and brutally painful throat.

Still no test in sight, so have to shell out about £150 for a private one per head. Can i deduct that off my taxes? Will I be breaking the law in a specific and limited way if I do that? Of course the NHS has also lost a resource since HID will have to isolate with us.

For whoever posted that they want to take their chances and live free... happy to host you for a meal. BYO alcohol.
 
Fish said:
There will never be an end to Covid.

It will never go away.

We have to get used to it and get used to living with it.

Flu came along, killed hundreds of thousands. We live with it. It's part of our everyday lives.

Cancer kills millions.

We don't stop eating foods and living lifestyles that increase the risks of getting it.

We can't live in fear forever.

They say 1 in 2.5 people will get cancer.

The odds of catching covid are 44 million to one.

If you did catch it, it's 1 in a 100 percent chance of dying.

I'll take those odds.

I'd rather myself and my children's lives be full of enjoyment and freedom than live a life suppressed and full of fear.

Get the sports stadiums back open.

Theme parks as they were before.

Get the leisure centres back up and running. Put concerts and festivals on.

If people don't wanna risk it then don't go.

Give us the decision on how to live our lives.

To quote the Shawshank, it's time to either get busy living or get busy dying.

I know which I'd rather do.....

*copied but agree entirely.
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That is a naive and silly post. Covid is happening right now. The chance of dying may be 1 in 100, but the chance of a hospital stay is higher, the chance of a chronic illness higher again. If you are older, those odds are worse, and for everyone increasing daily, faster than they ever have. You compare the probability of getting Covid in the short term with the lifetime chance of getting cancer. That is statistically nonsensical. You say that we still eat foods that cause cancer. Not sure why that is relevant, it is a bit like saying air travel is risky so why worry about a seat belt in the car. One has nothing to do with the other. In fact, you are wrong anyway, diets have improved a lot, smoking has fallen massively, people wear sun protection and get screened. We have done a lot to reduce cancer, and the age-specific cancer rates for most cancers are falling. The innumerate see that a lot of people die from cancer, but we can't prevent death, and you will die of something but it is happening much later than ever, therefore in epidemiological terms, rates are falling. We coped with flu? Spanish flu killed up to 50 million people. Not sure I would call that coping very well.

It is beyond stupid to blithely say that if people don't want to go to theme parks or concerts, they just shouldn't go. I don't think you understand how transmission works. You mean that those people should not go, nor ever come into contact with anybody else who did go. Never see granny again, kids.

Covid may or may not go away, but if we can get through the period until vaccines are widely available, then we can manage it. But not with quotes from The Shawshank Redeemption.
 
road2ruin said:
This is the article that the 44 in a million comes from. No idea about the cancer stats etc.

‪THE odds of catching Covid-19 in England are about 44 in a million a day, official figures show.

There are between 1,200 and 4,200 new infections a day, testing figures from the Office for National Statistics suggest.


And many of those infected will not even know they have it. Only about one person in 100 dies after being infected and another one in 100 suffer long-term effects.
There is just a one in two million chance of dying from Covid-19 in England.
That means coronavirus is as risky as taking a bath or skiing — and considerably less risky than scuba diving or sky diving.

Economist Tim Harford examined the numbers collated by the ONS to assess the current risk.
Tim, who presents the BBC Radio 4 statistics programme More or Less, said: “Covid-19 currently presents a background risk of a one in a million chance of death or lasting harm, every day.
“The risk of death alone is one in two million.”

Tim explained he started doing the maths when a friend in self-isolation asked him what the risks really were.

He said: “Simply existing in a country where the virus is suppressed but circulating is not so risky.
“It depends on age, gender, geography, behaviour and much else.

“But on average it is similar to taking a bath, going skiing, or a short motorbike ride, and considerably less risky than a scuba dive or a skydive.”
“My friend will have to make his own decisions, as we all will.
“But the risk to most individuals in the UK seems modest, for now.”
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Tim Harford has 'clarified' his analysis to point out that the period for prevalence estimates is rather different between Covid and taking a bath. The fact that some people die in the bath doesn't mean the bath killed them, by the way. If you know of an ICU in France which is 100% occupied by people who suffered illness while in the bath, do tell me all about it. Otherwise try to use something that makes sense. Also, I am not aware of any examples of someone who has died because their friend took a bath. Bath-related death is probably not transmissible.
 
Mudball said:
Whatever my son brought from school, he has kindly passed to me. Have lost my voice and inflamed and brutally painful throat.

Still no test in sight, so have to shell out about £150 for a private one per head. Can i deduct that off my taxes? Will I be breaking the law in a specific and limited way if I do that? Of course the NHS has also lost a resource since HID will have to isolate with us.

For whoever posted that they want to take their chances and live free... happy to host you for a meal. BYO alcohol.
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What symptoms of COVID-19 do you have?

One of the main reasons identified for the struggle to meet testing demand is people going for tests at the first sign of a sore throat. That's not a symptom for Covid.

A couple of weeks back the 3 in my house all came down with a very heavy summer cold at the same time. However there was no temperature, no new persistent cough and no loss of taste. Therefore, no need for a test.
 
TheDiablo said:
What symptoms of COVID-19 do you have?

One of the main reasons identified for the struggle to meet testing demand is people going for tests at the first sign of a sore throat. That's not a symptom for Covid.

A couple of weeks back the 3 in my house all came down with a very heavy summer cold at the same time. However there was no temperature, no new persistent cough and no loss of taste. Therefore, no need for a test.
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I agree, and my son has a sore throat and a snotty nose right now, and neither are Covid symptoms.
 
TheDiablo said:
What symptoms of COVID-19 do you have?

One of the main reasons identified for the struggle to meet testing demand is people going for tests at the first sign of a sore throat. That's not a symptom for Covid.

A couple of weeks back the 3 in my house all came down with a very heavy summer cold at the same time. However there was no temperature, no new persistent cough and no loss of taste. Therefore, no need for a test.
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I am looking for my son rather than for me (as yet).... he has had cough, fever, runny nose, sour throat... that’s 2 of the 3. He was examined by his GP who are running a hot clinic. They asked us to get it tested. So to be clear, this is not a vanity project. I am hoping that it is something else (like Ethan’s).
No plans to get myself tested yet as I haven’t displayed the symptoms yet.
 
Mudball said:
I am looking for my son rather than for me (as yet).... he has had cough, fever, runny nose, sour throat... that’s 2 of the 3. He was examined by his GP who are running a hot clinic. They asked us to get it tested. So to be clear, this is not a vanity project. I am hoping that it is something else (like Ethan’s).
No plans to get myself tested yet as I haven’t displayed the symptoms yet.
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With C19 and kids going back its a new situation for us all. Especially with a heightened responsibility to protect others if any of the family gets it

Daughter has been running fever, looks like tonsillitis, but doctor monitoring hard to validate.

Glib tripe distributed by morons on Facebook doesn't help the wider situation
 
huds1475 said:
With C19 and kids going back its a new situation for us all. Especially with a heightened responsibility to protect others if any of the family gets it

Daughter has been running fever, looks like tonsillitis, but doctor monitoring hard to validate.

Glib tripe distributed by morons on Facebook doesn't help the wider situation
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They looked for the same in my son, but have ruled it out. If he hadnt had the fever & cough, then it would have been a simple nurofen job,... but now just sitting on tenterhooks .

I ignore all the chestbeating (from either side) on social media
 
Checked in to a hotel this morning and then had to go for a Covid test. Should get the results some time after 1800 tomorrow. I have been told that I'm not allowed to leave my room between now and then. The only small problem with this is that the hotel my company have booked me in to doesn't have a restaurant. Have been given a dispensation to go to the restaurant next door for food if I maintain social distancing but apart from that I'm restricted to my room only.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Checked in to a hotel this morning and then had to go for a Covid test. Should get the results some time after 1800 tomorrow. I have been told that I'm not allowed to leave my room between now and then. The only small problem with this is that the hotel my company have booked me in to doesn't have a restaurant. Have been given a dispensation to go to the restaurant next door for food if I maintain social distancing but apart from that I'm restricted to my room only.
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I’m not convinced they can legally do that? Seems very dodgy.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Checked in to a hotel this morning and then had to go for a Covid test. Should get the results some time after 1800 tomorrow. I have been told that I'm not allowed to leave my room between now and then. The only small problem with this is that the hotel my company have booked me in to doesn't have a restaurant. Have been given a dispensation to go to the restaurant next door for food if I maintain social distancing but apart from that I'm restricted to my room only.
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Where are you? In a lockdown zone?
 
ColchesterFC said:
Checked in to a hotel this morning and then had to go for a Covid test. Should get the results some time after 1800 tomorrow. I have been told that I'm not allowed to leave my room between now and then. The only small problem with this is that the hotel my company have booked me in to doesn't have a restaurant. Have been given a dispensation to go to the restaurant next door for food if I maintain social distancing but apart from that I'm restricted to my room only.
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No symptoms - No test - so says Hancock
 
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