Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[Deleted member 21258]

I dont think you want to understand whats being said and must keep bringing everything down to your garden barbicue. People keep complaining the rules are difficult to understand so making a rule of six should ensure its easy enough for anyone, also I explained that people tend to be more lax with social distancing in their homes verses in public, you may well stick to the rules but its not all about you

Twaddle again. Outside is much lower risk than inside, that can be said 100% as true and the science supports it.

Of course I was talking about how it affects me, as this thread is about that, whoever would have thought that from the thread title - DOH! then you got onto a person dying from a Barbie at home outside, then the story went on, I only replied to your posts.

However thinking about it whatever, you are right, as I'm done. Have a good day, the thread is yours and how it has affected you

 

[SocketRocket]

Twaddle again. Outside is much lower risk than inside, that can be said 100% as true and the science supports it.

Of course I was talking about how it affects me, as this thread is about that, whoever would have thought that from the thread title - DOH! then you got onto a person dying from a Barbie at home outside, then the story went on, I only replied to your posts.

However thinking about it whatever, you are right, as I'm done. Have a good day, the thread is yours and how it has affected you

Grow up

Outside isnt safer if people dont social distance and there is more chance of them not distancing in their own homes and gardens. You seem to have a problem understanding things, I said you may be responsible but the rule is for everyone and we have seen very clearly many people are not acting responsibly. I didnt suggest someone would die at a barbicue, thats a ridiculous extrapolation of what I suggested, my point was that if people dont start acting more responsible and stop getting together in large social groups then more people will die. Hope thats clear enough.

 

[robinthehood]

Grow up

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[GB72]

Twaddle again. Outside is much lower risk than inside, that can be said 100% as true and the science supports it.

Of course I was talking about how it affects me, as this thread is about that, whoever would have thought that from the thread title - DOH! then you got onto a person dying from a Barbie at home outside, then the story went on, I only replied to your posts.

However thinking about it whatever, you are right, as I'm done. Have a good day, the thread is yours and how it has affected you

I suppose that the counter argument is that much of the current increase in infection is being attributed to meeting at people's houses. If you allow one size of group outside and one in then you have a problem with enforcement. a dozen people say inside, police turn up 'oh no officer, we are all in the garden' and action cannot be taken. By making it simple and applicable across the board then you can take easy action in splitting up groups and issuing fines. Clearly the change is being made as people have not been following the rules at home.

For some people the rules are actually more relaxed. Now I can meet up with 2 other couples for a drink that I could not do before as we would have been more than 2 households. I often wonder how many who were meeting outside in larger groups were following the 2 household rule. Need some pretty big households to comply at some of the 20 plus people barbeques I have seen.

The reason pubs are OK is that there is someone responsible for monitoring groups and behaviour and it is easier to send officials in to check on compliance. There is also a larger stake with licences on the line.

 

[Ethan]

The reason pubs are OK is that there is someone responsible for monitoring groups and behaviour and it is easier to send officials in to check on compliance. There is also a larger stake with licences on the line.

That's not the reason pubs are allowed. The real reason is now a breach of recent forum rules.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

I agree. Inside and outside present very different risk levels. Whitty and Vallance said this repeatedly at Number 10 briefings. Simplicity is fine but it needs to have at least a tenuous grasp on reality. Failing to distinguish between people meeting at home vs the pub also undermines the simplicity somewhat. The virus doesn't know if it is in a pub or a private home. The risk of attending a BBQ outside while maintaining social distancing is very low unless the other person is deliberately coughing in your face.

Exactly. While maintaining SD. But it is clear from what I see that unless the group size is limited the easier it is to not SD.
At my club I see them ,outside, supposedly in small groups, start moving together and no S D at all before very long.
If the group is much larger than 6 or so,then it seems not long before SD goes out the window.
And if I was in the middle of those I regularly see, I should think my chances of breathing what they are exhaling would be very high.
Telling me I am outside so I'm all right, would not seem very comforting.
It may be true that my chances are better being outside than inside, but that isn't the point. It's whether my chances have got worse by lack of SD because the group is too big , wherever it is.
I think 6 inside or outside, is a reasonable attempt to fight the spread of this virus.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Looks like SW Scotland are clearing out the hospitals in preparation for a second wave.
3 weeks after the schools went back so perhaps blended learning is on the way.

 

[Hobbit]

My favourite niece went down with it on Tuesday, and had a respiratory arrest on Thursday. 38 years old and as fit as... imagine her mother being the person giving CPR!!

Her mother has a serious, ongoing, health condition and had to give CPR to someone suffering from Covid.

"Yeah but us youngsters will be fine..." Maybe you will, and maybe you won't but what about your parents that you might give it to?

 

[Jamesbrown]

You can’t pin it on one generation. It’s anybody who’s not staying at home, not washing their hands frequently, maintaining distance from even your family, not wearing a mask at home even as most of the transmission is within the home.
The official rules and guidelines are loose, full of gaps and prevent some deaths - not all.
Everybody knows what needs to be done but people cling on to some norm and neediness of social interaction rather than lock themselves away. This rule of six shouldn’t even exist, it should be nobody at all.
Those that blame a generation for living a little bit more than some because they can’t, won’t, or daren’t is Hypocritical.
Nobody is doing all they can to make the virus go away, instead just living under the illusion they are by following arbitrary rules, guidelines and laws blissfully ignorant.

Almost everyone’s to blame. That extra shop you did, killed a granny.
That friend you visited, yeah that killed a granny, that restaurant you didn’t need to go to and the table you brushed passed and breathed on. Killed a granny.

If you aren’t staying at home and doing all you can then your spreading it.

 

[Old Skier]

Looks like we are going to run out of granny's, best bunker up.

 

[AmandaJR]

My favourite niece went down with it on Tuesday, and had a respiratory arrest on Thursday. 38 years old and as fit as... imagine her mother being the person giving CPR!!

Her mother has a serious, ongoing, health condition and had to give CPR to someone suffering from Covid.

"Yeah but us youngsters will be fine..." Maybe you will, and maybe you won't but what about your parents that you might give it to?

Crikey I hope they're both ok. I wonder if more stories about the young and fit falling very ill due to Covid would have an impact. It's playing Russian Roulette and perhaps more need to understand that.

 

[Billysboots]

You can’t pin it on one generation. It’s anybody who’s not staying at home, not washing their hands frequently, maintaining distance from even your family, not wearing a mask at home even as most of the transmission is within the home.
The official rules and guidelines are loose, full of gaps and prevent some deaths - not all.
Everybody knows what needs to be done but people cling on to some norm and neediness of social interaction rather than lock themselves away. This rule of six shouldn’t even exist, it should be nobody at all.
Those that blame a generation for living a little bit more than some because they can’t, won’t, or daren’t is Hypocritical.
Nobody is doing all they can to make the virus go away, instead just living under the illusion they are by following arbitrary rules, guidelines and laws blissfully ignorant.

Almost everyone’s to blame. That extra shop you did, killed a granny.
That friend you visited, yeah that killed a granny, that restaurant you didn’t need to go to and the table you brushed passed and breathed on. Killed a granny.

If you aren’t staying at home and doing all you can then your spreading it.

All a little melodramatic, unless of course this is a wind up. You surely can’t expect everyone to stay at home for ever? And wear a mask at home? Really?

And, with respect, I resent being told “that extra shop you did killed a granny.” That’s cobblers. If every one of us who has been shopping during the last six months had “killed a granny” as a result, I rather think the death toll would be considerably higher than it is.

I disagree that this current situation can’t be pinned on a generation to some degree. Yes, there are members of all generations doing both the right and wrong thing. But, in the main, the younger generation appear not to really take any of this seriously at all. Just pop into any pub of an evening, and you’ll see large groups of under-30’s carrying on like nothing has changed.

Apologies if that upsets our younger forumers, but that is my experience. I do, of course, accept that others may well have contrary experiences but I speak as I find.

 

[robinthehood]

Crikey I hope they're both ok. I wonder if more stories about the young and fit falling very ill due to Covid would have an impact. It's playing Russian Roulette and perhaps more need to understand that.

While 38 isn't old, it's also not young in relation to the lowest risk group. Statically the 20 somethings are still pretty low risk of serious illness. Although that doesn't stop them passing it on to others. Tbf there as many older people to who don't seem to care either.

 

[road2ruin]

I wonder if more stories about the young and fit falling very ill due to Covid would have an impact. It's playing Russian Roulette and perhaps more need to understand that.

Didn’t the newspapers do a load of that at the beginning? Every time I looked at a paper a 6/15/30yr old with no (known) underlying health condition had died, it was front page news.

The fact is that for the under 30’s the chances of dying are minuscule and if I’m honest the 23yr old me would have been in the pub with mates and would have been happy with the risk involved. How anyone can have a go at that age group when they’ve been actively encouraged to get to pubs, bars and eatery’s is beyond me.

 

[Billysboots]

Didn’t the newspapers do a load of that at the beginning? Every time I looked at a paper a 6/15/30yr old with no (known) underlying health condition had died, it was front page news.

The fact is that for the under 30’s the chances of dying are minuscule and if I’m honest the 23yr old me would have been in the pub with mates and would have been happy with the risk involved. How anyone can have a go at that age group when they’ve been actively encouraged to get to pubs, bars and eatery’s is beyond me.

Yes, they’ve been encouraged to go to pubs. But I don’t recall reading anywhere that they were told social distancing and being sensible no longer applied.

Again I can only cite my own experience, but I saw a group of half a dozen men, all aged under 30, in our local last night. Hugging when they met, high fiving, shaking hands and then sitting cheek by jowl, no social distancing at all. Not a care in the world. The truly scary think is that I know all six are teachers at my daughter’s college, and I expected at least some common sense.

I haven’t seen too many middle aged or older generation acting in that way.

 

[road2ruin]

I haven’t seen too many middle aged or older generation acting in that way.

I think each generation has their own issues. I would agree that the younger lot have issues with SD especially after a few drinks however in my experience it’s the older lot who are more guilty of refusing to wear masks as they don’t believe in it or they don’t like being told what to do. Most of the younger lot (again in my experience) all seem to be toeing the line with regards masks.

 

[Ethan]

Covid has a mortality rate at every age. It is certainly low in younger people, but not zero, and there are also a lot of downstream complications possible. Covis appears to have a generalised inflammatory effect in some people and this can cause heart, kidney, liver and vascular effects. Reports of fit college age athletes developing myocarditis have occurred in the US, and the Kawasaki-like inflammatory syndrome which can be fatal has been seen in younger kids worldwide.

 

[Imurg]

I've been seeing lots of groups of school and college kids hanging around, clumped together, sharing drinks and crisps with barely a few inches between them and hardly a mask in sight.
I get the feeling they've decided they're immune and so dont have to follow guidelines outside school or college...which are pretty thorough from what some of my pupils have told me.
On the plus side for the kids I've not had one turn up for a lesson without a mask...although that could be because I've trained them well

 

[fundy]

I've been seeing lots of groups of school and college kids hanging around, clumped together, sharing drinks and crisps with barely a few inches between them and hardly a mask in sight.
I get the feeling they've decided they're immune and so dont have to follow guidelines outside school or college...which are pretty thorough from what some of my pupils have told me.
On the plus side for the kids I've not had one turn up for a lesson without a mask...although that could be because I've trained them well

Waiting outside the post office yesterday for Mrs Fundy two young lads turn up on bikes. One pulls his mask out puts it on and goes in. Few minutes later he comes out, takes off the mask and passes it to his mate who then puts it on and goes in!!!!

 

[pendodave]

Researchers looking at data from 260 hospitals in england and wales found that there were 6 deaths of minors. All of them had profound health issues.
Source : prof calem semple, univ of liverpool.
Dr olivia swann, the study's co author said that the ports findings were "extremely reassuring".
Facts, not gossip
** edit, not intended as a reference to hobbit's sad news, but to give some context as to why young people are genuinely not in any, even slight, risk.