He didn't mention any specific region or province last night.
It is very much at odds with what Sanchez is saying but Spain is on the quarantine list for quite a number of countries now. Are they all wrong? I don't know.
Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?
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He didn't mention any specific region or province last night.
It is very much at odds with what Sanchez is saying but Spain is on the quarantine list for quite a number of countries now. Are they all wrong? I don't know.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Agree, I've felt recently that Spain (like a lot of countries) were being "economical" with the reporting. Think there were 3 days of no reports and the anticipated consolidation/catch up didn't seem to marry with the recent trend.
Swinglowandslow
Well-known member
The news.
It is reported that new worrying ( worrying to their respective governments ) increases are occurring in Belgium, France, Germany, Spain, Italy..
Hong Kong too..
Rlburnside
Challenge Tour Pro
After reading Hobbits previous post to yours do you honestly think it would be safer to take your family on holiday to Spain rather than holiday in the UK.
Whilst the numbers of infections are increasing are the hospital numbers and deaths increasing as well? I appreciate we are asking questions you may not have answers to as though you are the all knowing oracle for Spain but it is interesting to see if the increase in infections, seems to be the young from your previous posts, is leading to the same kind of worry as before? If young people are catching it but are not actually being ill then those figures are not as worrying.
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not sure if this will work as I believe the 14 day period of isolation was because Covid may take up to 14 days to show symtoms
not sure if this will work as I believe the 14 day period of isolation was because Covid may take up to 14 days to show symtoms
rudebhoy
Q-School Graduate
I heard Germany were advising against travel to 3 regions which are presumably the worst affected, and are testing arrivals. That seems like a more sensible approach. I really can't understand why the Canaries are off limits (not that I have any intention of travelling abroad anytime soon).
Wolf
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Safer in the
Some places in UK still far higher rates than other countries but we're allowed there without restrictions.
Safer in the Canary Islands than holidaying in many places in England still regardless of what's happening in mainland Spain. As I've said many times not as simple as putting out blanket bans.
Some places in UK still far higher rates than other countries but we're allowed there without restrictions.
DanFST
Head Pro
Why take the risk? Flying to the Canaries without quarantine isn't going to save airlines/tour operators.
If i'm going to somewhere in the uk, I don't have to get on a plane. Way less points of contact, not too mention it would be unenforceable.
Ethan
Money List Winner
I agree. The risks are highly regionalised, and the Canaries are further from Catalonia and Aragon than London is. Case rates in the Canaries are more than 90% lower than in the current Spanish hotspots.
I have no plans to go to Tenerife this year, although I have been 3 times in recent years (I recommend Abama Golf if you are there), but unless you have particular additional risk factors, the risk is modest.
Wolf
Well-known member
I'm not saying I am taking the risk, I've even pointed out i cancelled our holiday due to fly this week as a result. But all I've done throughout the thread here is highlight its not as black and white as people are assuming when they say ban all travel for a year.
You may have less contact points if you travel in your own car around UK, but regionally you're at greater risk spending 7 days in many UK holiday areas than you are any of the Spanish Islands.
Like I said im not advocating either way, I just believe that blanket bans don't take into account all the factors.
Wolf
Well-known member
Thats kind of my point that people aren't taking into account. It's all well and good staying just ban it, but by that reckoning we should still have far more regional bans on UK internal travel, 2 examples used yesterday show factually the SW & NW and not to mention so many other UK regions are far higher risk to anyone than a short hope to Gran Canaria. But apparently that's ok as its UK based and less contact points ??
I'll give it a look somepoint ta for the suggestion..
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Until recently I didn't realise that the 14 days was the top end of the timescales for symptoms to appear. I thought it was to do with timescales associated with an individual in the same household getting it from you when you were in quarantine, and then them showing symptoms...or something like that. In fact I think that was what was thought at first when 5 days was thought to be the timescales for showing symptoms - but our knowledge of the virus has now improved - 5 days now being understood to be the mean.
DanFST
Head Pro
Didn't mean to insinuate that, apologies. Well aware you dropped your holiday
I understand all these arguments, but in the grand scheme of things. I'm happy with blanket bans, doesn't effect me and won't save companies. I'd rather government resources put elsewhere as localised management would be intensive, and you'd still have people complaining!
Ethan
Money List Winner
Thats kind of my point that people aren't taking into account. It's all well and good staying just ban it, but by that reckoning we should still have far more regional bans on UK internal travel, 2 examples used yesterday show factually the SW & NW and not to mention so many other UK regions are far higher risk to anyone than a short hope to Gran Canaria. But apparently that's ok as its UK based and less contact points ??
I'll give it a look somepoint ta for the suggestion..
There is a balance to be struck between detailed highly localised bans and broad sweeping generalisations. Saying that islands several hundred to a thousand miles off he mainland are exempt should not be too much of a stretch.
Ethan
Money List Winner
14 days is the upper end of the range. In the great majority of people, they will test positive within 7 days if infected. Symptoms may emerge a bit later in some of those who become symptomatic.
GB72
Money List Winner
That helps with my understanding but could do with a little bit of clarification. Lets say I have been in contact with a person who has covid. Within what time period could it start showing as a positive result if I am tested. I am only looking at this in the context of the travel industry as the UK airlines are calling for people to be tested on return to the UK whereas my favourite holiday destination is currently allowing US tourists based on their production of a negative covid test no more than 7 days old. Is testing an option or could people infected still be producing a negative test result for a period after the initial contact.
Wolf
Well-known member
There is the crux of the matter when it comes to blanket bans. I think your posts come across as well thought out and as someone advocating of blanket bans at least you have the decency to talk sensibly and show understanding unlike others on here who make up petty scenarios because it doesn't affect them and can't see why others don't follow their blind opinion.Didn't mean to insinuate that, apologies. Well aware you dropped your holiday
I understand all these arguments, but in the grand scheme of things. I'm happy with blanket bans, doesn't effect me and won't save companies. I'd rather government resources put elsewhere as localised management would be intensive, and you'd still have people complaining!
Just one of the issues I have with the blanket bans is using the Canaries as a continued example and Aragon in Mainland Spain which is an area currently suffering. Gran Canaria is 1490 Miles away from Aragon, whereas where I live in Lincolnshire is 1054 miles away. So im still closer to the infected area back here in UK than if I were in a self contained Villa in GC.
People say yeah but you have an ocean and lots of countries between you and Spain, so flip that around then I'm only 115 miles from a badly affected area in Lancashire which has over 10 times the current confirmed cases than the entire Canary Islands has yet I'd be perfectly allowed to holiday there, day trip there and much more likely to come into contact with people, and that's similar in many more UK locations.
That for me is just one of many reasons this doesn't work, currently much less risk in the Canaries or Balearic Islands than there is right here in good old blighty. But there is far less restrictions here on where I can go and what I can do. We need better regionalisation in the UK as well as just looking at banning travel to some areas where the risk factor is actually far lower.
Anyway, Im banging the same drum over and over so I'll bow out of this debate for now...
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Indeed - as I now understand it...but when we first went into lockdown I recall the 14 days self-isolation we had to go into being based upon me showing possible symptoms - go into self-isolation. In 5-7days if it was the virus it would have incubated and if it was I could have transmitted it to anyone in my household and then they had to isolate for 7 days along with me as I had to keep out of circulation...or something like that. It was never 100% clear to me I must admit.
All that past - the 14 days quarantine of today is not that 14 days. 14 days is the tail of the distribution.