I fully agree that policy should have been made clear. which Would have been safer for people, but that isn’t what was said by homer. He implied uk trips were safer places, which simply isn’t the case.
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I fully agree that policy should have been made clear. which Would have been safer for people, but that isn’t what was said by homer. He implied uk trips were safer places, which simply isn’t the case.
Wolf
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So a quick Google will give you the current figures that prove your argument doesn't hold up.
Currently as of today there are 745 confirmed cases of Covid-19 in South West, England. A place that going by your previous post would be a suitable place for a stay at home holiday as its UK based. Somewhere we could all rock up to tomorrow if we so wished.
Lanzarote current number of Covid19 cases = 6.... To add further context the entire number of cases combined across the whole of the Canary Islands is 74!
So an entire group of Islands that travel is banned to because they're "Spanish" is banned because of increased risk of Covid-19, yet 1 region in England has over 10 times that amount alone, but we can all go there at will!
I'd suggest its not as cut and dried as you think and others think, there are other things to consider before we all go calling for blanket bans, ruining economy, jobs, mental health and other things. We need to look at what's going on at home as much if not more than abroad...
Whole of the UK to choose from aside from the South West. As you say a simple google check would give anyone a clue where the potential hot spots are and plan elsewhere accordingly. For the record I don't understand the government's blanket Spanish ban but that is the current ruling
3 weeks ago there were 4 outbreaks in Spain. Apparently all were contained. Within 4-5 days there were 11 outbreaks, with major concerns over 2 of them.
Today, the Spanish govt announced there are 324 outbreaks in different cities, towns and villages across Spain. Many of them are deemed not to be contained as they can't identify the source of the infection early enough because they are swamped. Here in Andalucia we currently have the quickest moving number of outbreaks, and that's from having the fewest. We're also seeing a significant rise in hospital admissions. So what changed here in Andalucia? The Spanish from Northern Spain started arriving 4 weeks ago as their holiday season got underway - you can tell them a mile off - pink Spaniards, just weird. Things are changing almost daily here. Whatever Sanchez is saying to Boris about how wrong it is for the UK to impose a quarantine definitely isn't what the Spanish govt are saying to the people here.
If you go back to late Feb you'll see numbers very similar to today. Remember what happened through late March, April and May??!!?? Why won't that be mirrored in a month's time.
As for someone's stupid comment about the expats not caring about not being able to see their families. If that idiot had been at the bowls club this morning they would have heard at least 6 out of 19 people bemoaning the fact their families couldn't fly out. And 2 people complaining about flights they had booked to the UK for next week. In the last 4 months 3 of my children have had their flights cancelled, ditto with 2 lots of friends. It would have been nice to see our eldest daughter, who told us a few weeks ago she's pregnant. But hey, who's complaining? Hopefully get across for the birth in November... but if the current outbreaks mirror Feb, March etc a 4 month lockdown will take us through to Dec. But hey, who's complaining?
"Wohoo! Come and visit Spain, you'll be fine. By the way there are 2 cities and 4 towns in Leicester style lockdown, but you'll be fine."
Today, the Spanish govt announced there are 324 outbreaks in different cities, towns and villages across Spain. Many of them are deemed not to be contained as they can't identify the source of the infection early enough because they are swamped. Here in Andalucia we currently have the quickest moving number of outbreaks, and that's from having the fewest. We're also seeing a significant rise in hospital admissions. So what changed here in Andalucia? The Spanish from Northern Spain started arriving 4 weeks ago as their holiday season got underway - you can tell them a mile off - pink Spaniards, just weird. Things are changing almost daily here. Whatever Sanchez is saying to Boris about how wrong it is for the UK to impose a quarantine definitely isn't what the Spanish govt are saying to the people here.
If you go back to late Feb you'll see numbers very similar to today. Remember what happened through late March, April and May??!!?? Why won't that be mirrored in a month's time.
As for someone's stupid comment about the expats not caring about not being able to see their families. If that idiot had been at the bowls club this morning they would have heard at least 6 out of 19 people bemoaning the fact their families couldn't fly out. And 2 people complaining about flights they had booked to the UK for next week. In the last 4 months 3 of my children have had their flights cancelled, ditto with 2 lots of friends. It would have been nice to see our eldest daughter, who told us a few weeks ago she's pregnant. But hey, who's complaining? Hopefully get across for the birth in November... but if the current outbreaks mirror Feb, March etc a 4 month lockdown will take us through to Dec. But hey, who's complaining?
"Wohoo! Come and visit Spain, you'll be fine. By the way there are 2 cities and 4 towns in Leicester style lockdown, but you'll be fine."
Wolf
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I used SW as quick reference as its a popular holiday spot. There are many more places throughout the whole of the UK that are still far worse than many parts of Spain. But that's ok is it! Im sorry Homer but you're just showing yourself up by trying to blindly defend a point when you state you don't understand the blanket Ban, but then promote holidays at home which has higher infection rates than many of the destinations people could go to.
But taking your own point people can look at higher infected areas and plan accordingly, well by doing that planning I can see its safer for my family to holiday outside of the UK!
Like I said not as simple as you seem to think it is...
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For the record I never said those affected wouldn't care. I said they wouldn't be complaining as much. They understand the risks more. They see what is happening in their country and understand why decisions have been made.
Where as Gavin from Blackpool can't understand why him and Tracey can't have a Beano to ibizi for a week because they "need" a break from being furloughed for 3 months without the ability to go get some sun.
There is needs like seeing family and wants like going on holiday .
The needing to see family is far more important and those will care but I bet they complain a darn sight less
See post #8087.
For the record you said, "Also those won't be the people complaining about it!!! "
Is that "they wouldn't be complaining as much," as you posted above, or as you posted, "Also those won't be the people complaining about it." You tell me, its in black and white for you to read.
For the record, sometimes you should just hold your hands up when you make a mistake. It stops you looking like a bigger Richard.
Wolf
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Interesting choices of location Ibiza current cases = 7
Lancashire has recorded 32 new cases this week alone already and its only Tuesday.. That on top of the fact its one of the worst regions in the country already for high numbers.. Would suggest Gavin from Blackpool is safer in Ibiza. ??
We get you think it should all be banned but you can't seem to see past your own blinkered view to understand its not just about wanting a holiday there is far more to consider about how it affects this country and another.
Maybe Gavin needs a break for his mental health, maybe Gavin has osteoarthritis and heat helps to relieve his pain. Maybe he done what Homer says and googled less infected areas to take his family somewhere safer than Blackpool pleasure Beach and sees it as a safer destination than anywhere in the UK as there numbers are far lower, who knows ??
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Interesting choices of location Ibiza current cases = 7
Lancashire has recorded 32 new cases this week alone already and its only Tuesday.. That on top of the fact its one of the worst regions in the country already for high numbers.. Would suggest Gavin from Blackpool is safer in Ibiza. ??
We get you think it should all be banned but you can't seem to see past your own blinkered view to understand its not just about wanting a holiday there is far more to consider about how it affects this country and another.
Maybe Gavin needs a break for his mental health, maybe Gavin has osteoarthritis and heat helps to relieve his pain. Maybe he done what Homer says and googled less infected areas to take his family somewhere safer than Blackpool pleasure Beach and sees it as a safer destination than anywhere in the UK as there numbers are far lower, who knows ??
My view may be "blinkered" but there is far too much foreign travel for the sake of it. Buisness trips to smooze clients rather than over zoom, email etc. Holidaying in England became so expensive so going abroad was the cheaper option and more preferable for people.
My problem is we are just rushing back to "normal" soon as travel was lifted people booked holidays then moaned if they then get told it's cancelled .. for those who had it pre booked and was never cancelled I feel for them as their trapped between a rock and a hard place... But still we are rushing back. Look at the buisnesses who already are trying to get face to face meetings back up rather than just a zoom call. Because it's the norm.
We are dangerously close to having a second wave sooner rather than later .. the gov understandably wants some economic recover but it seems so much to soon.
Yes I should have posted they wouldn't be complaining as much. Apologises for missing that.
The majority of complaints you hear are from those not in that situation. Also those aren't then the ones who seem to be running to the press
bobmac
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Where did you get that from?
8,200 new cases diagnosed yesterday.
Spanish Health Minister, Salvador Illa, praises UK govt for imposing the quarantine.
Spanish Health Minister, Salvador Illa, praises UK govt for imposing the quarantine.
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Seems to be all over the press that the PM is concerned about the rising cases in Europe
Germany are worried about their numbers
Spain we have already said numbers are too high (decision by our chief medical officer)
Rising local increased measures here up north in Oldham was it? And Blackburn a step down from a local lockdown
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How does that compare with your early numbers back in march etc?
Crazyface
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Well as a response to the original question, it made me find a bit of a job, as I was bored, and this is carrying on now and I'm getting more hours (from August 12th , just after my birthday), and it's the hours and days I want, and I get 15% all food and wine.
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rudebhoy
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Was he referring specifically to Catalonia? Seems totally at odds with what the Spanish PM was saying.
On March 16th, the first day of full lockdown, the total of new cases was 1,954. The current 7 day rolling average is just over 3k. Sat/Sun/Mon numbers are typically very low due to the reporting methods. One day prior to the weekend it was over 4k, with 2 other days over 2k.
For local numbers I use the Junta de Almeria health service website. Its lists by town/village (municipality). And importantly, it lists new infections within 14 days, giving an indication if a case is now considered past. Lots of new ones showing up.
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Is it being played down by the No of tests being carried out?
ColchesterFC
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Not that I'm doubting you Hobbit (well obviously I am by typing this) but that number seems horrendously high. Accoring to the Worldometers website Spain had a peak of 8271 new cases on March 26th. Seems very worrying if you are back up to that level. I assume that increases testing could be part of the reason and will need to wait a couple of weeks to see what happens with the deaths figures to get a clearer picture. Worldometers 'only' showing 1828 new cases for Spain for yesterday.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/
The number of tests is high. When a case is reported, everyone in the family, the neighbours, the shops they use and the bars they frequent are tested. Many are asymptomatic. Whether that's because their symptoms haven't developed or they are just carriers I don't know.
When there is a rise in cases I try and correlate it against hospital admissions to gauge how serious it is. Although they are going up they are lagging further behind than in March.
I'm very sceptical of the Worldometer numbers. Having the Junta de Almeria website on my favourite's page means I see the dept of health's numbers for the province. And I get all of Andalucia, which is right across Southern Spain. The numbers on the official health pages don't marry up to Worldometer pages, e.g. when Worldometer was indicating no deaths there was still the odd death showing across the region. Add in the rest of Spain and there's quite a divergence in the numbers.
But I'm just a member of Joe Public trying to navigate through various sources. I could be wrong too.