Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[Deleted member 16999]

A failing system, by what proportions?

If 80% is fully equipped (I don't know the figures), would you change a whole operation for the 20% that’s fallen off a cliff, or would you quickly identify why that 20% has failed and address that?

Myself and hundreds of couriers across the country are delivering PPE into hospitals and pharmacies on a daily basis, some repeatedly within a week or two, and I’m talking about thousands of items within a single shipment, so the system hasn’t failed, some trusts or hospitals are just better at procurement than others, so does that require a complete overhaul of the logistics because of a possible minority that have failed, and that the media are constantly focusing on, I don’t think so personally.

Whose responsibility is it to identify the weakness? Normal times, those weaker trusts would suffer, during this problem as it could cost thousands of lives, I believe the Government should step in, then as you say they have the clout to deal with the 20% and the authority to get it moved from the places who may be over stocked.

 

[Hobbit]

Whose responsibility is it to identify the weakness? Normal times, those weaker trusts would suffer, during this problem as it could cost thousands of lives, I believe the Government should step in, then as you say they have the clout to deal with the 20% and the authority to get it moved from the places who may be over stocked.

NICE. The National Institute for healthcare and Clinical Excellence.

Unfortunately, or fortunately, they've never had a pandemic to stress test the performance of the hospitals. As has been previously said, I dare say there'll be a full post-mortem on the performance.

 

[AmandaJR]

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[Old Skier]

How about government apologising for its shortcomings... And, forcing trusts into having to compete for kit...

Dear electorate the government apologies for the following:
100 of countries seem to require PPE
There's a world shortage.
Some trust are holding/stockpiling PPE
Some trust have employed people into positions above their ability

Take your pick

 

[Old Skier]

I find it strange that the media never name the trusts that are short of PPE and a comment that a trust has contacted the BBC for the telephone number of Burberry beggars belief.

 

[BubbaP]

I find it strange that the media never name the trusts that are short of PPE and a comment that a trust has contacted the BBC for the telephone number of Burberry beggars belief.

They had to "re-clarify"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52333540

 

[Old Skier]

They had to "re-clarify"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52333540

No TV announcement then, everyone reads the BBC business section

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Why can’t the Government appoint someone (from any Political Larty) to oversee the PPE and get a true picture of what is going on.

Instruct ALL Trusts to answer the questions asked by said person and then decide if they need to step in and take over the supply of PPE.

Hospitals will continue to need it forever, forget what has happened up to now and get the true picture so they can maybe influence or protect all Staff that need PPE moving forward.

Surely we can’t keep allowing these questions to be asked or allow 1 hospital to have too much while others struggle.

Not every question asked during this crisis has to be politically linked either by the poster or those giving responses.

I’m pretty confident there’ll be plenty of political fall out from this, on all sides, warranted or not once it’s over.

This is an unprecedented national crisis with Staff lives at risk.
Of course, in ordinary business times Trusts are going to compete( whether that situation should ever have been set up like that is for another time).
But now, they will cooperate or else. Any Trust not admitting their true stock levels will have their Chiefs sacked and black listed. If they are Drs they will be struck off, whatever it takes.
Whistleblowing will be encouraged.
It would be made clear that they would be left with a margin of stock to cater for anticipated needs, but there would be a fair distribution of stock
This isn't ordinary business competition, this is life and death of colleagues, and some out the box thinking and action is needed.

 

[MegaSteve]

Dear electorate the government apologies for the following:
100 of countries seem to require PPE
There's a world shortage.
Some trust are holding/stockpiling PPE
Some trust have employed people into positions above their ability

Take your pick

None of the above..

We, as the government, could have acted quicker and been more proactive in our response to issues arising from the procurement and distribution of PPE...

A bit of honesty and openness rather than the usual deflection would, I believe, served them better...

 

[fundy]

None of the above..

We, as the government, could have acted quicker and been more proactive in our response to issues arising from the procurement and distribution of PPE...

A bit of honesty and openness rather than the usual deflection would, I believe, served them better...

maybe, or the people who cant wait to find any little fault would've blamed them anyway

 

[MegaSteve]

maybe, or the people who cant wait to find any little fault would've blamed them anyway

Honesty is a rare commodity from any government making it difficult to guess how folk would cope/judge it if ever confronted with it...

 

[Old Skier]

None of the above..

We, as the government, could have acted quicker and been more proactive in our response to issues arising from the procurement and distribution of PPE...

A bit of honesty and openness rather than the usual deflection would, I believe, served them better...

I respect your opinion even if I may not agree with it.

 

[clubchamp98]

Funny that Trusts that have bought loads of PPE leaving others short are “ good at procurement “
Yet someone procuring all the toilet rolls in Tesco were called selfish and other things, rightly.
Lives could be lost because some trusts have storerooms full while others have a shortage.
Some coordination is nessesary.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Well, yes, but then would it be fair for your PP or the spectators to keep saying to you " why aren't you playing better. You said you would. What are you keeping from me ? Etc etc?

What if I had the self awareness to not claim I was any good at golf in the first place and did not bluff myself into a position where people thought I was?

 

[Hacker Khan]

Dear electorate the government apologies for the following:
100 of countries seem to require PPE
There's a world shortage.
Some trust are holding/stockpiling PPE
Some trust have employed people into positions above their ability

Take your pick

As have some prime ministers...

 

[Fish]

As of 9am 18 April, 460,437 tests have concluded, with 21,389 tests on 17 April.

357,023 people have been tested of which 114,217 tested positive.

As of 5pm on 17 April, of those hospitalised in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus, 15,464 have sadly died.

Thus a further 888 have sadly died in the last 24hrs.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Been saying for weeks we were severely short of stock and our senior technician having a devils own job to get the right stuff. We now have surgical masks everywhere but they are totally inappropriate working in close proximity of patients and aerosol generating equipment. We've had some gowns in but never enough to stock more than one day at a time and so already we've had calls to follow the new guidance regarding re-use. Not sure where we are on FFP3 masks but didn't seem to be much in stock Friday. It's a disgrace that frontline staff aren't being given the equipment to work properly and safely

 

[Old Skier]

As have some prime ministers...

Common fault in all occupations

 

[Old Skier]

Been saying for weeks we were severely short of stock and our senior technician having a devils own job to get the right stuff. We now have surgical masks everywhere but they are totally inappropriate working in close proximity of patients and aerosol generating equipment. We've had some gowns in but never enough to stock more than one day at a time and so already we've had calls to follow the new guidance regarding re-use. Not sure where we are on FFP3 masks but didn't seem to be much in stock Friday. It's a disgrace that frontline staff aren't being given the equipment to work properly and safely

Ring the trust next door.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Been saying for weeks we were severely short of stock and our senior technician having a devils own job to get the right stuff. We now have surgical masks everywhere but they are totally inappropriate working in close proximity of patients and aerosol generating equipment. We've had some gowns in but never enough to stock more than one day at a time and so already we've had calls to follow the new guidance regarding re-use. Not sure where we are on FFP3 masks but didn't seem to be much in stock Friday. It's a disgrace that frontline staff aren't being given the equipment to work properly and safely

In your opinion who is at fault? Is it the government, your hospital procurement team, other hospitals over ordering or something else? I'd be interested in your opinion, if you can give it without risking your job as obviously blaming your own hospital's procurement team on an open forum might be frowned upon.