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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

ColchesterFC said:
In your opinion who is at fault? Is it the government, your hospital procurement team, other hospitals over ordering or something else? I'd be interested in your opinion, if you can give it without risking your job as obviously blaming your own hospital's procurement team on an open forum might be frowned upon.
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Reluctant to lay blame at anyones door, certainly not our technicians who have been begging and borrowing from wherever to keep supplies up. If anything I think the communication channels have been a problem with too many people seemingly getting involved and not keeping others in the loop. There has definitely been issues with procurement and NHS supplies and there's a feeling within our technicians that they aren't doing enough to utilise their position or being forceful enough to get sufficient orders through to cover the trust as a whole
 
Slime said:
Went to a Tesco this morning, not good, not good at all.
Some of their customers are just bloody idiots.
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Outside Waitrose today people were doing the 2m thing really well.

InsideI think they had all got bored and no one seemed to care. I saw 4 people within a 2m space, two were staff with no PPE at all...

Its not just Tesco, its every supermarket down to the corner shop I have been in so far.

Only place that worked was the “one in at a time” approach at the pharmacy.

We shouldn’t be just booking home delivery slots online, we should be booking an entry time into a supermarket!
 
ColchesterFC said:
In your opinion who is at fault? Is it the government, your hospital procurement team, other hospitals over ordering or something else? I'd be interested in your opinion, if you can give it without risking your job as obviously blaming your own hospital's procurement team on an open forum might be frowned upon.
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Theres a massive world wide demand for it, it's probably no ones fault. Everyone will be doing their upmost to get PPE to the front lines but it's a mamoth task, how could anyone be prepared for a pandemic like this, if they had been hording equipment before no doubt that would be wrong and a waste of money.

We were told today there is a very big consignment coming tomorrow, hopefully that will keep them going. How about we wait untill this is over before looking for scape goats.
 
SocketRocket said:
Theres a massive world wide demand for it, it's probably no ones fault. Everyone will be doing their upmost to get PPE to the front lines but it's a mamoth task, how could anyone be prepared for a pandemic like this, if they had been hording equipment before no doubt that would be wrong and a waste of money.

We were told today there is a very big consignment coming tomorrow, hopefully that will keep them going. How about we wait untill this is over before looking for scape goats.
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I wasn't looking for a scapegoat, I was just interested in Homer's opinion of where the problem in the supply chain was. But if some trusts can get what they need and others can't then there are obviously problems somewhere, even accepting the current huge global demands.
 
ColchesterFC said:
I wasn't looking for a scapegoat, I was just interested in Homer's opinion of where the problem in the supply chain was. But if some trusts can get what they need and others can't then there are obviously problems somewhere, even accepting the current huge global demands.
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Surely the supply and demand is similar to toilet rolls. Lots of consumer demand and not enough supply to satisfy it. Spikes in product demand often mean some get what they want and others struggle.
 
SocketRocket said:
f money.

We were told today there is a very big consignment coming tomorrow, hopefully that will keep them going. How about we wait untill this is over before looking for scape goats.
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The problem is the government central stores will get the delivery but it's how it gets filtered out that I feel is the issue. I get London is the worse hit and so with the most patients will need more PPE for the staff to treat them effectively.
 
SocketRocket said:
Surely the supply and demand is similar to toilet rolls. Lots of consumer demand and not enough supply to satisfy it. Spikes in product demand often mean some get what they want and others struggle.
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No, no, no, this is far too serious to simply write the problem off as “some getting what they want while others struggle”.
It’s not about a scapegoat it’s about identifying how the problem has happened and preventing it in the future.
How on on earth you equate the public panic buying toilet roll against NHS Staff having their lives put at risk is beyond me.
Rather than think the public are looking for a scapegoat twist it on its head and realise the public are looking for a hero to step up and sort it out.
 
HiD is ward manager for a Neo natal unit but now due to staff shortages along with all the other 7's are doing floor shifts and asked her tonight when she got in at 9.15 how they are doing for PPE . Fine but they're getting short of IV lines for the babies . Reason is they come from Belgium and they are being held up because the manufacturers are on short time due to covid 19 and when there orders ready fro dispatch they are short of drivers.
 
pauldj42 said:
No, no, no, this is far too serious to simply write the problem off as “some getting what they want while others struggle”.
It’s not about a scapegoat it’s about identifying how the problem has happened and preventing it in the future.
How on on earth you equate the public panic buying toilet roll against NHS Staff having their lives put at risk is beyond me.
Rather than think the public are looking for a scapegoat twist it on its head and realise the public are looking for a hero to step up and sort it out.
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Perhaps we should have been asking South Korea a long time ago how it planned to deal with a post SARS scenario, as they appear to have been the most prepared and ready for it.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
Perhaps we should have been asking South Korea a long time ago how it planned to deal with a post SARS scenario, as they appear to have been the most prepared and ready for it.
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True, but I genuinely believe the Government are trying their hardest, but that does not mean we shouldn’t question them on the way along to ensure any possible errors (which will happen) are rectified quickly.
 
pauldj42 said:
No, no, no, this is far too serious to simply write the problem off as “some getting what they want while others struggle”.
It’s not about a scapegoat it’s about identifying how the problem has happened and preventing it in the future.
How on on earth you equate the public panic buying toilet roll against NHS Staff having their lives put at risk is beyond me.
Rather than think the public are looking for a scapegoat twist it on its head and realise the public are looking for a hero to step up and sort it out.
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You obviously havent followed the thread or tried to understand what I said. If you think for one moment I'm suggesting buying toilet rolls is as serious as the supply of PPE then you are missing the point badly. Someone asked the question why there could be a supply problem and I made an analogy of supply and demand. My scapegoat comment referred to someone asking who was to blame.

I know you have a problem with me and take every opportunity to show it but try to keep to the subject matter.
 
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Bunkermagnet said:
Perhaps we should have been asking South Korea a long time ago how it planned to deal with a post SARS scenario, as they appear to have been the most prepared and ready for it.
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Hindsight is a great attribute. Did anyone have the slightest idea that a pandemic of this scale and type would be coming along. Although I guess there are always lessons to be learned. Maybe the WHO are the ones to be considering it and advising us.
 
SocketRocket said:
Sorry, I did add a bit more
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As you did.
The WHO may be ones to ask, but you have to say after South Korea was so affected by SARS they have taken steps to reduce any possible issues if anything happened again..as we are seeing now. Perhaps we need to stop things like this are a "once in a lifetime" or similar event, and accept that we are so global in our ways now that we must look at how things have gone and take the according measures for next time (which there surely will be). Therefore we must take advise from South Korea and see how it has prepared itself.
 
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